Identifying Audrey - SPOILER, maybe?
I must have missed something. At the hanging they wanted to undress Audrey to see if she was Indian. How would that have told them? And, what was she looking at in the mirror that told her?
shareI must have missed something. At the hanging they wanted to undress Audrey to see if she was Indian. How would that have told them? And, what was she looking at in the mirror that told her?
shareZeb (Charlie's father) said that the darkness of her face could have been from the sun. They wanted to see if her body which would been protected from the sun was equally as dark.
share...and when she was looking in the mirror, she KNEW she was a 'red-hide Injun' (as the film phrased it)
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They wanted to check out the color of her nipples, and see whether her pubic hair extended up to (or near) her navel.
I'm not trying to be prurient here, just pointing out some racial differences. Also Indian men (and some women) have a patch of hair right in the small of their back, just below belt level.
Indians came from central Asia, of course-- so many other ethnic groups from that general area share these physical traits. The "test" they had in mind wouldn't really be conclusive, except that so many European Americans on the frontier were of northern ethnic extraction back then-- British, Scandinavians, Germans. Women from these groups would've had pink nipples rather than brown, and pubic hairlines a bikini would cover.
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They wanted to check out the color of her nipples, and see whether her pubic hair extended up to (or near) her navel.
I'm not trying to be prurient here, just pointing out some racial differences. Also Indian men (and some women) have a patch of hair right in the small of their back, just below belt level.
Indians came from central Asia, of course-- so many other ethnic groups from that general area share these physical traits. The "test" they had in mind wouldn't really be conclusive, except that so many European Americans on the frontier were of northern ethnic extraction back then-- British, Scandinavians, Germans. Women from these groups would've had pink nipples rather than brown, and pubic hairlines a bikini would cover.
@foxfirebrand First of all, I have been in plenty of pubic school locker rooms with diverse women and i have NEVER seen a woman with public hair that reaches up to her navel nor have i seen any women with a patch of hair on their lower back. Sounds like the "monkey tails" southern white men told because they wanted white women to stay away from black men. Are you kidding around or being a "phoebe" and trying to make people think you have some type of inside information?
Also, I've seen a few of these movies with this "test" and it is so ridiculous. Even the darkest toned black person tans (the sun makes them darker) so in looking at a person that you cannot readily tell if their non-white from their exposed body parts - looking to see if they have tan lines is ridiculous. Of course they would be lighter under their clothes, not still dark as these movies suggest.
Although, this particular movie did say they expected her exposed areas to be darker under the sun, I've seen some with the assumption the "passing" person would have no tan lines because they don't tan.
@foxfirebrand First of all, I have been in plenty of public school locker rooms with diverse women and i have NEVER seen a woman with public hair that reaches up to her navel nor have i seen any women with a patch of hair on their lower back. Sounds like the "monkey tails" southern white men told because they wanted white women to stay away from black men. Are you kidding around or being a "phoebe" and trying to make people think you have some type of inside information?
Also, I've seen a few of these movies with this "test" and it is so ridiculous. Even the darkest toned black person tans (the sun makes them darker) so in looking at a person that you cannot readily tell if their non-white from their exposed body parts - looking to see if they have tan lines is ridiculous. Of course they would be lighter under their clothes, not still dark as these movies suggest.
Although, this particular movie did say they expected her exposed areas to be darker under the sun, I've seen some with the assumption the "passing" person would have no tan lines because they don't tan.
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As a woman, I can tell you that long before girls would think of shaving, in jr. High locker rooms, nobody had pubic hair "going up to their navel".
And as a black woman, I can tell you that is a load of *beep* so yes, I'm calling the poster who said that racist.
And as a very light skinned black woman, I have "extreme" tan lines. And it's funny that you would consider my post stupid which contains first-hand knowledge of myself, family, and friends from childhood to puberty, but not the idiocy of his post which we can all see that I asked him to respond with where he got that "knowledge" and there has been silence.
I allowed him to respond without calling him a racist right off the bat because perhaps he knew ONE black female where he had seen such a phenomenon, in which case he assumed all black women were made this way.
I've also not heard about supposed patch of hair on male Indians' backs but as I am not acquainted with many Native Americans, I cannot definitively comment on that.
The fact that you question me instead of the crazy information in his post says you're probably a racist too. How can you accept information in a post that brands an entire people with physical oddity yet attack my post as "stupid". Interesting and telling.
I can't even believe that the OP replied with a "thank you" instead of at least asking where this person got such crazy ideas.
The only thing he got right is the color of the nipples although they are not always necessarily brown, but it is more common for them to be tan or brown on women of color (non-white).
Please do report my post so I can then report your post calling me "stupid."
Of course women have light almost unseeable hair all over, but the posts said black women had pubic hair that won't fit in a bikini bottom and other crazy stuff.
As to the OP, I never insinuated that he/she was anything other than willing to accept another poster's obvious propoganda as the absolute truth. I never called the OP racist.
I won't reply to all the other nonsense in your latesr post because it is ridiculous.
Waiting on you to report me cause I'd love to see how that plays out for you.
Please do report my post so I can then report your post calling me "stupid."
Of course women have light almost unseeable hair all over, but the posts said black women had pubic hair that won't fit in a bikini bottom and other crazy stuff.
As to the OP, I never insinuated that he/she was anything other than willing to accept another poster's obvious propoganda as the absolute truth. I never called the OP racist.
I won't reply to all the other nonsense in your latesr post because it is ridiculous.Waiting on you to report me cause I'd love to see how that plays out for you.
I am going to make one last attempt at this, only because, from your response in one of the other threads for this movie, you seem like a reasonable person.
The person that i first responded to,was not the OP (whom i did not call racist), but rather somebody named foxfirebrand who did post stuff about non-whites and crazy stuff about where hair grows on ALL non-whites. Perhaps you have foxfirebrand blocked or something that you do not see his post since your post to me says I brought these things up out of nowhere.
As to my personal experience, I cite them just as you cite yours when it comes to this body hair thing. I have only seen 3 women that had hair thick enough to grow beyond a bikini line and that was growing toward the thighs, not toward the navel as foxfirebrand says. Everyone else, women relatives that i know are not shaving and who never even began the practice of shaving their legs (not that they didn't have hair on their legs but black culture did not assimilate leg shaving until the last 30-40 years) have no bushy hairs that "do not fit into a bikini line". Now, does that mean i know what the majority of every race's bikini line looks like naturally? Not absolutely, but i know the majority of black women were not shaving even their underarms back in the late '60's early '70's (my locker room years and it was a cultural thing). So having pubic hair "up to the navel" is completely made up by foxfirebrand.
Now, my original responses to you may have seemed unreasonable, but you basically went on the attack without having the full story (I'm guessing) of what I was responding to since you thought I would be denying fine body hair and calling the OP racist. I will not reiterate that argument here because, either you will take the time to unblock foxfirebrand so you can see his post (if that's what happened here), or you are one of those people that branded me a "cry racism everywhere" and if you believe that, despite our similar posts in the "kinda racist, kinda not" thread, then - whatEVER.
A patch of hair in the small of their back? Mongoloids are supposed to have the least hair amongst races, Caucasians are the hairiest so I don't get it?
shareI thought they were looking for a mark on her belly since the old man mentioned they found the baby girl with a Kiowa mark on her belly.
I knew she was looking for something in her room but didn't understand why she needed the mirror to do so. She didn't appear to be looking at her nipples as she could've seen them without the mirror's help. She should've been able to see her pubic area as well without the mirror...that scene just didn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Despite the false racial characteristics described above (someone with Asian characteristics has less hair not more, male Indians didn't even have beards), I don't think the plot was thought completely through.
Yes, when Hepburn looks in the mirror she "suddenly" sees something. How? What is she going to notice that she never noticed before?
It was just another unexplainable part of this sad movie that cannot be resolved without a script rewrite.
@vickic531 No, the mark on her belly they mentioned was "Indian paint". The guy accusing Rachel of being indian said it was on the baby's belly, palms, and soles of her feet.
share...they wanted to undress Audrey to see if she was Indian. How would that have told them?I truly haven't the faintest idea. Even though it was quaint seeing Audrey Hepburn in a western and other characters commented she looked darker than them, to me, she actually appeared to have a lighter complexion than many of the whites. It was very hard to accept her as a full blooded Kiowa woman, just on someone's say so. share