impact on later directors


Among many other things which make this a great movie,
I think the dialogue is fantastic!
The scene where Charlie is walking Marie home and he's
trying to decide how to ask her to have a drink with
him only to find by the time he finally starts to speak
that she's already left and then he starts to think
about jazz musicians could've come straight out of a
Woody Allen film.
Also, the gansters talking about girls (and Momo about
once wearing his sisters pantyhose) and the modern
gadgets they have (no, really it's Japanese metal!) is
one of the first films I know of to let the baddies talk
like normal people and say things that have nothing to
do with furthering the plot. Something Tarantino would
later take to a whole new level with the Reservoir Dogs
'Madonna' speech.

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And Martin Scorsese said in an interview on the Casino dvd that this film inspired him the minute he saw it. Reason being that wonderful shot of the pianist ringing a doorbell - we see his finger - then closer - then closer.

This 3 cut-shot is seen frequently in Scorsese's films - Goodfellas (when Hnery is cooking, he turns to look out the door - we get a 2 cut shot going into his face. Also seen where Joe Pesci first sees Stone's character Ginger for the first time.

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Thanks! Interesting. I'm definitely keeping that in mind next
time I watch a Scorcese film.

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Informative post, OllieZ. Thanks.
BTW: I`m waiting Casino: Special Edition to get in my mail-box.

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along with the woody allen i thought that the street scene was picked up later in adaptation by jonze and written by charlie kaufman. really all the inner dialogues were reminiscent

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Paul Thomas Anderson said in the Boogie Nights commentary that this is one of his favorite movies. He said the way the story goes from dramatic to side-splitingly funny is probably responsible for him writing Boogie Nights in a similar way.

Another note on Scorsese, one technique, I think, he learned from Truffaut is the swish-pan cut technique (where you end a shot with a swish-pan and start the shot that immediately follows it with a swish-pan. When you cut it together it looks like one unbroken shot). Truffaut first used it in The 400 Blows and Scorsese used it for the famous "dealers are watching the players, the boxmen are watching the dealers, the pit bosses are watching the boxmen...etc...and the eye in the sky watching us all"

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well spotted, Thomas. Scorsese really is a genius.


:)

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There's a saying about the rock band the Velvet Underground that although they never became commercially successful during their heyday, everyone who heard them started a rock band. I think that the same can be said of Shoot the Piano Player (and the French new wave in general). I see references all over the place. The Cohen Brothers I think have been very influenced. Many of the French New Wave films were homages to film-noir. In films like Blood Simple, Fargo, and The Big Lebowski I see a kind of homage to the homage.

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leadbelly27 - good connection.

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I can definitely see the Cohen Bros. connection, I was thinking that the whole time I saw the film! STPP has the same simple-caper-gone-horribly-awry thing going on that is in pretty much every Cohen Bros. film.

You have no idea what I'm talking about, I'm sure. But don't worry... you will someday.

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The first time I saw the film I noticed that Charlie's voiceover was not his own voice, a technique the Scorsese used for Keitel's character in Mean Streets (it was Scorsese's voice).

As I began thinking about the film, I noticed uncanny resemblances to Mean Streets. For example, the film deals with characters struggling with life issues yet is not without its comedy. Look at when Charlie and his friends take the kids' money looking for fireworks and go to the movies. Gangsters play a prominent role in both films, yet they are likable.

Finally, the film ends in a death at the very end, a death that is caused by someone stealing money. And Keitel's character is named Charlie, his girlfriend is Theresa!

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meatbone42,
I think I see your point. Personally, I love "Shoot the Piano Player," but I understand where you are coming from. There are plenty of films that I would agree are masterpieces, but don't really sit right with me("On the Waterfront" comes to mind). Some films are like licorice: people who like licorice really like licorice, and people who don’t like licorice really don’t like it

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"The Cohen Brothers I think have been very influenced. Many of the French New Wave films were homages to film-noir. In films like Blood Simple, Fargo, and The Big Lebowski I see a kind of homage to the homage."

In a roundabout way yes. The Coen Bros read Raymond Chandlers the big sleep before making a movie. And that book hugely influenced the french new wave.


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Does anyone else see connections between this and the Graduate? Just with some of the not so subtle artistic ideas. In shoot the piano player we see a literal translation of a mother dropping dead, a shot of the bar owner in three different circles. While in the Graduate you have the main character looking through the goggles, and other scenes which I seem to forget. Basically we have these groundbreaking new takes on cinema, but they are done so obviously to the viewer unlike previous trends before this.

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Kmonk: Please don't compare a real masterpiece to posturing by Allen's Woody and Q. Tarbucket.

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I just watched this again. In terms of characterisation, I was thinking of Gabriel Byrne's character in Miller's Crossing all the way through. His and Aznavour's characters are exactly the same kind of damaged goods; who seem almost pre-destined to fail at achieving happiness or fulfillment - and although this failure is all self-inflicted, it couldn't be any other way.
I love both films, and I think this is one of the main reasons.

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Not an impact on directors per se, but the bartender is clearly the model for Moe on The Simpsons.

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