Sickening Animal Abuse


I put up with this old fossil of a film until the scene where they set two angry dogs on a tiger, when predictably enough, they proceeded to corner it, and get torn in about the pathetic beast. Revolting. File under Bin.

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hahaha "file under bin."

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It wasn't real for Gods sake.

I do not like animal cruelty but this was staged and cleverly edited, no animals were being hurt for real.

M
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Animals were tied up and floated in the water, the elephant was "lassoed" and scared, the ostrich was ridden and harassed, the confrontation between the dogs and tiger terrified the tiger .... I could go on and there was more stuff like that. Fits my definition of animal cruelty.

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Are you a vegetarian? Nope. Then you're a massive hypocrite. And BTW, in 1960 the standards were a little different than today. People like you need to play in traffic.

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Get over yourself!!

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Mind you i have to say after further investigation that who knows what goes on with some of these productions.

A link below which says more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Humane_Association

Contrary to popular belief the AHA was set up in 1939 after a scene in the movie Jesse James involving a poor horse.

I do think the Swiss Family Robinson scene was staged with trained actors though as the dogs are clearly wagging their tails and if you pause the film look to be playing with the tiger and not attacking it. Just clever editing and sound effects added post production make it look like an attack.

Incidentally another article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruelty_to_animals

From that article.

Animal cruelty has long been an issue with the art form of filmmaking, with even some big-budget Hollywood films receiving criticism for allegedly harmful—and sometimes lethal—treatment of animals during production. One of the most infamous examples of animal cruelty in film was Michael Cimino's legendary flop Heaven's Gate, in which numerous animals were brutalized and even killed during production. Cimino allegedly killed chickens and bled horses from the neck to gather samples of their blood to smear on actors for Heaven's Gate, and also allegedly had a horse blown up with dynamite while shooting a battle sequence, the shot of which made it into the film. After the release of the film Reds, the star and director of the picture, Warren Beatty apologized for his Spanish film crew's use of tripwires on horses while filming a battle scene, when Beatty wasn't present. Tripwires were used against horses when Rambo III and The Thirteenth Warrior were being filmed. An ox was sliced nearly in half during production of Apocalypse Now, while a donkey was bled to death for dramatic effect for the film Manderlay, in a scene later cut from the film.

Cruelty in film exists in movies outside the United States. There is a case of cruelty to animals in the South Korean film The Isle, according to its director Kim Ki-Duk.[50] In the film, a real frog is skinned alive while fish are mutilated. Several animals were killed for the camera in the controversial Italian film Cannibal Holocaust.[51] The images in the film include the slow and graphic beheading and ripping apart of a turtle, a monkey being beheaded and its brains being consumed by natives and a spider being chopped apart. In fact, Cannibal Holocaust was only one film in a collective of similarly themed movies (cannibal films) that featured unstaged animal cruelty. Their influences were rooted in the films of Mondo filmmakers, which sometimes contained similar content. In several countries, such as the UK, Cannibal Holocaust was only allowed for release with most of the animal cruelty edited out.

More recently, the video sharing site YouTube has been criticized for hosting thousands of videos of real life animal cruelty, especially the feeding of one animal to another for the purposes of entertainment and spectacle. Although some of these videos have been flagged as inappropriate by users, YouTube has generally declined to remove them, unlike videos which include copyright infringement.[52][53]

The Screen Actors Guild (SAG) has contracted with the American Humane Association (AHA) for monitoring of animal use during filming or while on the set.[54] Compliance with this arrangement is voluntary and only applies to films made in the United States. Films monitored by the American Humane Association may bear one of their end-credit messages. Many productions, including those made in the US, do not advise AHA or SAG of animal use in films, so there is no oversight.[55]

Simulations of animal cruelty exist on television, too. On the September 23, 1999 edition of WWE Smackdown!, a plot line had professional wrestler Big Boss Man trick fellow wrestler Al Snow into appearing to eat his pet chihuahua Pepper.

I'm actually pretty disgusted to find out about Heaven's Gate.

Another example below.

http://www.peta.org/feat/bullmovie/index.html

Bullfighting is also disgusting in a civilised society.

Almodovar’s production company claimed that it was simply filming a bullfighting training session. However, photos were taken of Almodovar directing the matador during the filming. The production company also dismissed the animal protection law as only applying to "pets."

According to the Associated Press, a study found that 20 percent of bulls are drugged before they step into the ring. Of 200 bulls, "1 in 5 had been given anti-inflammatory drugs, which mask injuries that could sap the animal’s strength." Former bullfighters have confessed that bulls are fed laxatives to debilitate them days before the fight, have the muscles cut in their necks to prevent them from lifting their heads up all the way, and usually have petroleum jelly smeared in their eyes to affect their vision.

Oh and heres a complete list of ratings by the AHA.

http://www.ahafilm.info/movies/movieratings.phtml

Deemed unacceptable.

Abyss, The n/a
Annihilation of Fish n/a
Antarctica 20th Century Fox
Antarctica 1984 n/a
Apocalypse Now United Artists
Arabian Nights United Artists
Big Bad John n/a
Cannibal Holocaust Transcontinental
Conan, The Barbarian Universal Pictures
Conan, The Destroyer Universal Pictures
Crocodile Cobra Media (US)
Crystal Eye Avatar Films
Curse Of The Starving Class n/a
Deathstalker III Concorde Pictures
Faces of Death Parts I & II Gorgon Video, MPI Home Video
Ferryman Unknown
First Blood Orion Pictures Corporation
Fist of Fury II 21st Century Distribution
Heart Of The Stag New World Pictures
Heartland Levitt-Pickman
Heaven's Gate United Artists
In The Blood n/a
Lawrence Of Arabia n/a
Legend Of The Lone Ranger Universal Pictures
Lion Of The Desert United Film Distribution
Lord Of The Flies Columbia Pictures
Moments of Truth Unknown
Mondo New York Fourth and Broadway
Mountains Of The Moon Tristar Pictures
Mr. Mike's Mondo Video New Line Cinema
One Man's Hero MGM (Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer) aka MGM-UA, Orion Pictures Corp.
Prophecy Paramount Pictures
Rambo III Tri Star Pictures
Reds Paramount Pictures
Return To Snowy River Buena Vista
Rodeo Bloopers 2 Rodeo Video, Inc.
Roger & Me Warner Bros.
Savage Of The Canibal God New Line Cinema
Southern Comfort 20th Century Fox Film Corporation
Suburbia You Wouldn't Want to Live There New World Pictures
The Black Cobra Unknown
The Chisholms aired on CBS
The Field Avenue Pictures
The Lion Speaks Unknown
The Long Riders United Artists
The Lord Of The Flies Nelson Entertainment
The Mountain Men Columbia Pictures
The Snakefist vs The Dragon 21st Century Distribution
Tom Horn Warner Bros.
Tomcat n/a
Triumphs Of A Man Called Horse Jenson Farley Pictures
Tundra Great Circle Films
Vampire's Kiss Hemdale Film Corporation
Yellow Hair and the Fortress of Gold

I'm surprised to see the best movie of all time Lawrence Of Arabia on the above list.

I tend to find that those not bothered by animal cruelty are usually the same people who would be quickest to inflict human cruelty, indeed serial killers usually start out with animals and insects first before progressing to humans.

Comments like get over yourself help no one and are frankly not helpful or nice, it's a shame that people don't care more but hearts are sometimes less open in some people than they should be.

Lets not even start the meat eating argument, killing for food and killing for entertainment might be a fine line for some but there is no excuse for killing just for a movie set such as blowing up a horse in Heaven's Gate - Michael Cimino is just sick for doing that. ( my opinion )

M
http://www.darkrealmfox.com/

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Get over yourself, lol.

Seriously, this movie, whether it was real or not (and you can't judge it by if a dog's tail is wagging or not, dogs will wag their tails even while being killed in fights), men were less cruel in these days than today in my opinion. If it was a real fight scene, it lasted for just a few seconds, at most, you can see the animals aren't really even bleeding or anything. I just want to know when this country became so damn soft? Seriously, people complain about such stuff as an animal getting harmed in a movie (and I'm not saying any of you guys in particular), yet very serious things in the world, thing affecting mankind are on the backburner as far as complaining/protesting. The PETA guys, man, they would rather see a guy never work again as in the case of Michale VIck, and not have a 2nd chance, but then in the same breath they'd scream that a murderer (someone who killed another actual human being) should get a 2nd chance. I love the beauty of nature, and the tiger is probably my all-time favorite animal. But as far as these movies go, a tiger, trained, well fed, a beautiful specimen like in this movie, it was way too valuable for Disney to just allow it to be terribly injured. The dogs were in the most danger, Great Dane's aren't exactly a match for an adult tiger, and obviously these dogs were totally fine. Just like in nature, when dominant carnivores meet, usually they will do all they can to avoid a fight, and all they can to get out of that fight and get to safety. As for the movie with a horse being blown up, I totally agree that is way beyond, well, I don't know, way beyond anything a normal person would do. The crap about serial killers harming animals, that's a bunch of horsecrap. Lol. I caught ants and made them fight rival ants, loved having ant vs. spider fights, throwing grasshoppers in with my more aggressive ants, none of that crap is a sign of a sociopath or a future serial killer. Perhaps catching a cat or small dog, or any cute mammal type creature and torturing it, sure, that can indicate a bit of something disturbing. But I haven't saw more than 1 or 2 kids yet, in my entire life, that didn't think as a very young kid, kicking a dog or something and hearing it yelp, wasn't the funniest thing they've ever heard. Kids pretty much think it's funny to hurt stuff, if they can get a yelp or something out of it, it's human nature. Anyway, why am I even bothering, lol. Mankind can continue to put the wrong issues first, ignore the most important (one of which is mankind's own overpopulation and overusing resources), all the while becoming overly sympathetic, fat, soft, and helpless. Excuse me, I have to grill some deer steaks.

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Oh, and as far as animal cruelty in this particular movie, forget about the great danes and the tiger, the worst animal abuse was when Ernst was trying to ride that damn ostrich, poor bird was getting trounced. Or maybe Fritz trying to ride a donkey half his size. Bah, it was all damn good fun viewing.

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I never grew up kicking dogs just to hear them yelp, any kid that does has to have a few screws loose in my opinion.

Oh and do your research, serial killers usually start out by killing animals when they are five or six years old, thats a fact.

M
http://www.darkrealmfox.com/

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Wow, what a weird rant. I don’t know any kids that think that kicking dogs is funny, not more than once. My dad taught us that harming an animal or a woman would end up with us seeing stars or worse.

I’m not sure how being sympathetic has anything to do with being soft and helpless. Strange argument.

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Michael Vick? you mean the guy that slammed the dogs down and broke their ribs?? that Michael Vick?

RIP Heath Ledger 1979-2008

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What an a**hole....

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Ever notice that the people who want to give animals "human rights" are generally the same ones who insist on the right to murder unborn humans?
And they insist that you pay for it.
Maybe some day they'll demand that humans have as many rights as animals.
But I doubt it.

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I'm not sure that the beer-swilling men who love Rambo III are going to give up watching it because they now know that horses tripped in its filming.

Out of curiosity, do you consider Ben-Hur to be unacceptable because it shows a human being die?

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The human being in Ben Hur didn't really die, some of these movies kill animals just to make their film, thats a big difference between play acting, the point is that they don't have to, they are just lazy film makers when they do that.


M
http://www.darkrealmfox.com/

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Having done some research, I admit I was wrong about the death in Ben Hur. My bad.

I definitely agree with you about needlessly killing animals (Charge of the Light Brigade and Cannibal holocaust being some examples), though ultimately humans are the dominant species. Dominant plants choke out all others, ants capture slaves, chimps stalk and kill some of their own, etc. Not saying that humans don't have a higher moral authority to answer to, but I'm fairly certain that showing a bird eating maggots (I can't remember the movie, I apologize) is a minor offense at worst.



At least for Apocalypse Now, I would argue that that scene is more of a documentary angle, as the local extras were slaughtering the bull as a ritual anyways.

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Not saying that humans don't have a higher moral authority to answer to, but I'm fairly certain that showing a bird eating maggots (I can't remember the movie, I apologize) is a minor offense at worst.



"Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it."
- "The Lowest Animal"

mark TWAIN

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Bird eating a maggot is The Shawshank Redemption. They used an already dead maggot that died naturally... Supposedly

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FoxyMulder, that was an interesting article.

I also want to add that in the course of the movie, the dogs are protecting the little boy, Francis and his mother from the tiger. I wonder if the OP would prefer if the humans got eaten by the tiger?

(But blowing up a horse or cutting an ox in half is uncalled for, even in a story. I've never seen "Heaven's Gate," but I can't imagine where blowing a horse up would be acceptable, even in fiction.)

Kat

Demons I get. People are crazy

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"I tend to find that those not bothered by animal cruelty are usually the same people who would be quickest to inflict human cruelty, indeed serial killers usually start out with animals and insects first before progressing to humans."

I tend to find people who make rash assumptions about links between serial killers and those 'not bothered' by animal cruelty are talking out of their arse.

You have no research or evidence to base that opinion on; and furthermore you don't even use the correct terminology, because there is a huge difference between someone who is 'not bothered' by animal cruelty and someone who actively goes out and inflicts pain on animals, as you then suggest: "indeed serial killers usually start out with animals and insects". That entire statement was one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a while.

I'm not 'bothered' if an animal is used in filming and does not meet the standards of AHA. According to you, odds are that I am a serial killer. Good lord, man. Get a grip.



"...it's pompous to call myself a comedian,I prefer to think of myself as a phenomena" - Rik Mayall

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actually, he provided a great deal of research showing that 1) animal cruelty happens in film making and 2) it is still a problem, despite sag and the aha's attempts to address it.

one might wonder if it is because the audience (like you) doesn't care if animals are torn apart in the course of your entertainment. the poster you reply to did not say that those not bothered by animal cruelty are cruel to animals. michael vick had an audience for his dog fights, right?

do you think he would have fought dogs if no one else had wanted to watch?

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I choose to continue enjoying old films such as Swiss Family Robinson, which did not inflict animal cruelty in the legal sense,.... however.... there are always people who believe anything outside of explicit permission is cruelty, such as cutting grass (poor grass blades) or eating fruit which was not willfully dropped by the tree but, instead, cruelly stolen from its branches. I would not want to watch a real animal being really cut in half, but I would be fully capable of seeing it done with CGI and skillful editing if it was a pertinent scene to the story. Does this make me a serial killer? Hmm...

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Shouldn't Jesse James be on that list?

And yeah. Heaven's Gate...it's sickening what they did and Cimino deserved that Razzie he got. Glad it ruined his career too.

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"they set two angry dogs on a tiger, when predictably enough, they proceeded to corner it, and get torn in about the pathetic beast."

I didn't see any tearing going on. I ddid see some kind of stripped animal in there but ii didn't look like the tiger. Could they have had the two dogs play with a third and the put the third in a "sweater" designed to suggest the tiger? I really don't knwo how they did that scene with no blood involved otherwise.

The big question I had was: Two great danes vs. a Tiger? Who wins. My money would be on the tiger, big time.

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smokecombs, I couldn't agree with you more. I think the protests over supposed "animal cruelty" have gotten out of hand, while more serious issues concerning human life/safety are often overlooked.

I don't really consider myself an animal person. That is, I prefer not to keep pets, and the only animals I spend much time around are several horses owned by a friend. In spite of this, I would not condone deliberate and serious harm to animals (e.g., torturing dogs or cats, intentionally starving pets). But, come on. We have to draw the line somewhere on what constitutes animal cruelty. I just can't see the scenes in Swiss Family Robinson as truly constituting animal cruelty. And even if it was, the movie was made 50 years ago. There's not a thing anyone could do for these animals now. This movie has so many wonderful qualities; what a shame it is that some viewers would miss them entirely because they are so busy worrying about how the animals were treated.

I'm just tired of hearing people cry "animal cruelty" everywhere you look these days. The complaints about this movie are just another example of people going overboard with their protests. By the way, I didn't see Swiss Family Robinson in the list of movies found to contain serious acts of animal cruelty.

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I wonder what percentage of animal rights lovers think it's horrible to accidentally kill an animal during the filming of a movie 40 years ago but abortion is okay ?

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Oooooh, controversial!

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dirtfan2002, I am an animal lover, and for as long as I live I will stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves. I am against both the abuse of helpless animals AND abortion... but this really has nothing to do the the topic at hand. (; (The topic is animal abuse in Swiss Family Robinson.)

I haven't seen the movie in a long time, but I believe the tiger was a tame tiger and no real harm was done in the scene with the dogs, but I'll have to watch it again sometime and take a closer look.

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I'm an animal lover and I see nothing wrong with the tiger/dog scene...since it's obvious the tiger is a tamed animal. What *really* bothers me is the trivia factoid where they reveal the trapped zebra was electro-shocked in order to get it to thrash around. Now *that* was stupid and senseless.

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I'm an animal lover, a vegetarian, a Christian, and am pro life. What a combo.

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doesn't anyone have anything better to do than complain about things like this?
and no, people that hurt animals don't turn into serial killers either.
it just seems as time goes by, people get less intelligent and more idiotic about petty things and make mountains out of molehills.

the same people that make these idiotic statements, are the ones that benefit from animal testing because of the medicines they have to use to survive.
so they are indeed hypocrites, complaining about things they do daily.
for many years, a lot of care has been taken not to endanger animals, but sometimes it happens, the same like when you go in the military, you aren't supposed to get killed in basic or advanced training but sometimes it happens.

so like this person says, throw it in the bin, along with all the tom and jerry cartoons because they poke fun at blacks, and anything that people think is politically incorrect.

really, there is too much political correctness and it gets ridiculous.
just like sexual harassment is ridiculous, since the women wear things that they should be considered harassing to men with all the makeup, the clothes, and perfumes they wear.

get real, the movie is a classic and take it for what it was, from the time it was made. if you want to complain, complain about a new movie, not one decades old.

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watever
-DONT KILL THE SPIDER, IT ONLY KILLED 100000 PEOPLE!

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