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Any hope for a new 'Bismarck' film?


I've always considered "Sink the Bismarck" to have been an exceptionally
well made film in spite of some inaccuracies in the characterizations
(Lutjens was never a Nazi and the Kriegsmarine was the least politicized
branch of the German armed forces). Still it holds up well even after
repeated viewings. I recently got a copy of James Cameron's "Expedition
Bismarck" and watching it made me realize that even after all these years
the story of the pursuit and destruction of the Bismarck is as epic and
gripping as it was in 1941. If there was ever a story that inspired a
fresh treatment as a dramatic subject, this is one. Has anybody heard of
any plans for such a film?
Josiah Fleming

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ITN Ch. 4 in London has produced a 2 hour Documentary called the Battle of Hood and Bismarck which, while not a "movie", is a breathtaking account of the two ships and "new" facts pertaining to the sinkings plus ROV video of the remains of both. Aired on most PBS stations recently, I beleive info could be found at PBS.org...

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yes i have heard rumors of a feature film being in the works, but you cant really trust rumors.

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If made it should be made by germans and NOT hollywood or even english! Would love to see the "Das Boot" Wolfgang Petersen doing that (and not the Troy one, what a crap) or the guy who made "Downfall" (Der Untergang).

Americans and English would just try to rewrite history and telling everyone how they saved the world, and of course make the german look like the bad Nazi villains like they did in "Sink the Bismarck".

What I mean is that if they are going to do it they should do it properly, because this is one of the best and truly epic real military stories.

JG

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Just fifteen years after the Second World War (WW2), in 1960, many of the young men who served in the Royal Navy (the British Navy) would have been alive, and some not yet age 40. Though the feature film "Sink the Bismarck!" is broadly honest, it is inevitable that the Germans would be made to appear, in general, like the bad guys - they were, after all, the enemy in 1939-45! A film made just 15 years after the end of the war would have been poor box office had it even tried to paint the enemy as a bunch of cuddly nice guys!

But to imply that the feature film is an attempt by the English - the British - to re-write history is nonsense. Some German naval officers were Nazis though, as another contributor has stated, overall there were relatively few Nazis in the German Navy.

However, it is a matter of historical fact that the United Nations - as the allies were called in WW2 - did save the world from two ghastly, murderous regimes. Like it or not, the Germans were the villains of the piece in WW2. It is surely the contributor to imdb who is trying to re-write history!

Churchill's call to "Sink the Bismarck!" was an imperative. This new, beautiful, German battleship - the largest warship then ever built - was a serious threat to the Royal Navy and allied shipping. In the first stage of the battle, the sinking of the battle-cruiser HMS Hood, a touchstone of a ship from WW1 to her end, with the loss of Vice-Admiral L E Holland and all but three of her ship's company, sent shockwaves through the British Admiralty and the country. My late father was an Able Seaman LTO at sea in a destroyer, HMS Amazon, a few hundred nautical miles from the position of HMS Hood when she was sunk; I remember his telling me of his fear on learning that the Bismarck had done so.

1940 had been a dark year of war for the British and 1941 wasn't looking good either. It took a lot of ships and aircraft to find and sink the Bismarck and it is a testimony to this great German ship that her name resounds to this day - after all, she did not have a long life:

Launched 14 February 1939
Commissioned 24 August 1940
Sea Trials 15 September 1940 to late April 1941
Sailed on first war mission 13 May 1941
Sunk 27 May 1941

Just 14 days of life as an active unit of the German Navy. Yet her name lives on - and rightly so. See the excellent website www.kbismarck.com for much more about this superb ship.

In my view, no new feature film is necessary. This film is proper enough and contributors who think otherwise would be advised to read the facts before they hit their keyboard. Nazi or not, the Bismarck and her men were an important part of the German war machine and, as such, a serious enemy threat that needed to be hunted and destroyed. I, for one, salute those men of the Royal Navy who did so. Yet, as a former naval officer myself, I can mourn the loss of fellow seaman on both sides of the fight - and I salute them too.

The British TV company Channel 4's film "The Battle of Hood and Bismarck" was released on DVD in 2004 - 152 minutes of history and the search underwater for their wrecks.


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As to the presence of Nazis in the German navy, someone once wrote that the Wehrmacht consisted of the Prussian Army, the Imperial German Navy, and the Nazi Luftwaffe.

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take off your monicle and rest your swagger stick, I think a joint effort between the Germans and the British should be done, maybe scenes an characters on the Bismarck and PE, and like wise British actors on the British ships, no americans need appear, no people of color for poitical correcness, no women for a love intrest, and token sex scenes, but a good old white on white fight to the end, and no one should protest it, because since it's white ales killing white males that is what counts! (LOL) . Anyways I think a r-make could be done well, keep the plot simple, don't have overacting drama, let the drama of the bigger picture keep the intrest, and let the shells fly!, for either side it was a hard flet loss.

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Americans and English would just try to rewrite history and telling everyone how they saved the world, and of course make the german look like the bad Nazi villains like they did in "Sink the Bismarck".

To say the American and British would rewite history is a bit much.
Seeming as it involved the British they would have to have an imput cant really make a remake of this film without the British.
I can agree with you sayin the usa would rewite the history of the battle but they where not there And if it was a Hollywood remake they would be more concerned about drawing in the crowds to watch the movie. So any imput in a remake of this film would have to involve both Germany and Britian.

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I know I'm going to regret bringing this up but there were some Americans present during the final battle with the Bismark. Lt-Com Joseph H. Wellings was among a number of American officers who 'hitched' a ride on HMS Rodney, escorting the troop ship Britannic to Halifax then to proceed to Boston for a re-fit. Wellings was returning to the US after observing operational Atlantic tactics with the British Home Fleet. On May 24th 1941 HMS Rodney was re-routed from Halifax, leaving the Britannic behind, to intercept Bismark.
Admittedly the Americans were merely unwitting observers at the final battle but I'd fear for a remake - 'as the plucky cheeky chappie Cockney gunner slumps over his turret firing control, Brad Pitt masterfully ...'
What am I saying? It'll give them ideas!
And also, the thing about flak gunners on Bismark unable to shoot down attacking British aircraft; their guns were calibrated for aircraft travelling at over 250mph, whereas the Swordfish torpedo biplanes barely lumbered through the sky, so the shells were bursting in front of them. US Navy gunners learnt later in the Pacific war to shoot the water in front of attacking wave hopping aircraft, the impact waterspouts knocking the planes down. I don't think the Bismark's flak guns could depress enough to do that. In the rough, freezing cold waters of the grey Atlantic ...
Please? No re-make. What, the CGI artists are running out of subject matter?

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God forbid the Nazis be made to look bad for their WWII activities. Also - I would hate to see Germany look bad for starting two murderous wars in the 20th century. We definitely need balance on this misty series of historical events.

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A serb triggered the First World War. Pinning it on Germany in the Treaty of Versallais (sp?) was kind of unfair.

As for WWII, Japan had already started their agression well before Germany did.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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I agree with the OP about the inaccuracies in this film. But, this is a great film, and it doesn't need to be remade.

If remade, it would probably be set in 1942, and have the yanks sinking the Bismark!

TDV

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"If remade, it would probably be set in 1942, and have the yanks sinking the Bismarck!" (IMDB user "dorrdon")

You may think that is funny. But go to the IMDB "External Reviews" section for this film. This is what the film reviewer in Needcoffee.com said about the Bismarck:

"It did manage to destroy several Allied ships before it was finally brought down, which took the combined efforts of the United States and the British Navy to sink it".

More seriously, the greatest obstacle to remaking the movie is that (unlike in the late 1950s) most of the people who were around in the Second World War were either dead or very old. Film producers in the States are not likely to be interested in making a film on an event in which the US did not take any part. Another obstacle is that in this case all the drama had occurred on board ships, and (unlike, say, "Saving Private Ryan", "The Thin Red Line, etc.) the film can't focus on particular groups of individuals. You would just be remaking a film about the sinking of a ship which most people nowadays do not care about or may not even have heard of.

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Interestingly there is an America perspective in this story. The pilot of the Shorts Sunderland who spotted Bismarck and Prinz Eugen was an American in British Uniform flying from an RAF base in Northern Ireland. So H. Wood and her chums can make do with that and SHUT THE HELL UP!!!

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"Interestingly there is an America perspective in this story. The pilot of the Shorts Sunderland who spotted Bismarck and Prinz Eugen was an American in British Uniform flying from an RAF base in Northern Ireland. So H. Wood and her chums can make do with that and SHUT THE HELL UP!!!"

If you are referring to "the spot", the one that led to the Ark Royal's rudder shot, then the Prinz Eugen was not with Bismarck at the time.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

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Yeah, you're right I've been meaning to fix that. I also think it was a PBY Catalina they were flying and the base might have been Royal Navy now that I think about it, there was a large one in Derry/Londonderry. I don't think the Shorts Sunderland was used much before '43. I'll look up the aircraft thing again and get back to you. I'd do it now only 'Short Circuit' just came on TV.

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The Catalina flew from Lough Erne, Northern Ireland; co-piloted by Ensign Leonard B. Smith who was the USN lease lend ferry pilot who stayed on to gain wartime experience. Smith's pressence was a wartime secret as lease lend was only supposed to supply material, not men. The RAF pilot of the Cat on that mission was Flying Officer Dennis Briggs. Smith was wearing USN uniform.
Thanks chaps, tally-ho!

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Yeah, that’s what I meant to say…

It’s great to find out some real detail like that! Where did you find it? Book (ISBN)? Web? I read it in a book Bob Ballard wrote years ago when I was a kid. I couldn’t find the damned thing to check up on it but I don’t think it was that detailed. It’s interesting that the American was in American Uniform. Does this breach neutrality? I don’t want to lend any credence to German claims that America was neutral only in name, but it would be interesting to find out if it was legally a breach. If it was then (if it was sanctioned from above) it gives a real insight into the mindset of the then American Government.

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There is a remake its called 'Titanic'!!! Best keep Hollywood away methinks.

Marlon the Cat 1991-17th October 2005

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I've heard somewhere that the HMS Gotland (swedish aircraft crusier) was somehow involved in the spotting of the bismarck.. Is this true??

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I have never heard about a Swedish aircraft carrier being involved, however, I pulled this from Wikipedia:

"The British Admiralty had already suspected that a breakout was likely and Bismarck's departure was confirmed for them from a combination of Ultra intelligence (deciphered Enigma code messages), a report from a Swedish cruiser that had sighted the battleship and the Norwegian resistance."


Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

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Ok thanks for that info, much appreciated!

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Just thought you British should know that this film was very popular when it came out in the States. American audiences had no problem with the fact that there were no American characters in the film (except for GASP! Edward R. Murrow. How dare they shoehorn an American into the film like that!). Other British films have also done quite well in the U.S. without having American characters in them. And I notice that not too many people were up in arms about the fact that some of the American roles in BAND OF BROTHERS were played by British actors (and quite well, I might add; Damien Lewis in particular did a brilliant job).

Honestly, some of you need to chill out about this Hollywood thing. Some of the most popular actors in the U.S. happen to be British. And if they ever cast an American to play James Bond, the series would be a goner in the U.S. just as quickly as it would die in the GB.

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A new film/ Mini series could be made but maybe a joint German/British production.

Everyone please remember, the biggest battleship [ fast Heavy Cruiser in reality.]the britsh had was the "Hood" and this was expected to take on and sink the "Bismark" [ the newest and deadliest german battleship afloat.] either by itself or with the help of other British warships.

In the first incounter The Hood was sunk with the loss of all but 3 hands and this was a massive blow for the British, a rampant Bismark could on its own bring England to its knees by sinking the much needed war supplies and food coming over from the states.

Once the news had been received about the sinking Churchill gave the order
"Sink the Bismark." This was I believe for two reasons.
To raise moral in the services and at home and to protect the ships coming over from the States with the much needed supplies.

This was a deadly manhunt as ships from many theatres of war were called in to help in the hunt and in my opinion the Bismark would have been sunk even if it meant that the Royal navy had hardly any ships left after the battle.

Because of the Hood factor and low moral at home and at sea there never was going to be any mercy for the Bismark or her crew once the ships rudder had been damaged and she was a sitting duck. It was just a case of how long it would take her to sink. Mercy would come afterwards.


So the new film or mini series. This should be filmed from both sides and both points of view using statements from the sailors there at the time and showing some of their home life as well.

Just give respect to everyone involved for in those times they all were good men doing the will of their respective goverments.

Service men/women do not create wars, people in goverment create wars and its the servicemn who die in those wars for the will of those goverments.

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Something like "ToraToraTora". Would be a nice way of stortelling.

Cry 'Havoc' and let slip the dogs of war!!

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>>a rampant Bismark could on its own bring England to its knees by sinking the much needed war supplies and food coming over from the states.<<

Oh dear, sounds like someone's been watching James Cameron's crummy documentary.

"She was the DEATH STAR OF HER DAY! YAAAAA!"

At worst, Bismarck could have sunk a tiny fraction of the supplies steaming to Britain at any one time, and only at enormous risk to herself. She was really just a big national codpiece for Germany. The u-boats were the real threat. Cameron's over-egged dialogue is simply another part in building the Bismarck mythology.


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They'd probably turn it into 'Titanic'.

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Interesting how people complain about how little people these days know about history, then totally nix the idea of making movies about events like the sinking of the Bismarck that might actually TEACH these people some history.

And once and for all, a movie about something like the hunt for the Bismarck, the Battle of Britain or the Battle of Midway would NOT be a remake. These are historical events, open to revisiting in many new ways. A film about D-Day like SAVING PRIVATE RYAN is NOT a remake of THE LONGEST DAY, it's a film about a different aspect of the Normandy landings, focusing just on the Americans at and just beyond Omaha Beach. If you made another film about the D-Day landings focusing on Juno Beach, would you seriously call THAT a re-make of SPR? There are so many aspects of many of these historical events that were not covered in previous movies.

But of course we all know that people don't watch historical movies any more. And we CERTAINLY know Americans won't watch historical movies that only contain British actors playing British characters. Now excuse me while I go watch THE KING'S SPEECH again. In Norman, Oklahoma.

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For what it is worth when I have visited Oklahoma the people I met there were sophisticated and well-educated. Not a Snooki in sight.

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I have thought for years that the story of the Bismarck would make for a great modern war film. If you think about it, nearly all of the best sea-based war films involve submarines (Das Boot, Hunt for Red October, Crimson Tide, etc.). No one in the last 30-40 years has attempted to make a big-budget naval war movie with battleships! This of course does not include the horrendous Battleship movie that came out last year. Under Siege could technically be considered here, but it was really just Steven Seagal killing people on board a ship, not quite a war film.

I could imagine the modern Bismarck film following both the German and British sides, with a bit more time given to the Germans. The key would be to approach the story as objectively as possible, and not spin it as a Good Guys vs. Bad Guys showdown. Thousands of lives were lost between the sinking of the Hood AND the Bismarck, and I think it would be important for the movie to show that war is tragic no matter which side you're on.





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Doing a re-make would present several challenges. Installing one or two heroic homosexuals would be easy enough. Ditto making most of the good officers black, or Indian. Not sure how you would get all the lesbians in, and as for the transsexuals, well.

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