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Hitchcock would have used this guy....


The NY Times had a great article yesterday about one of Wes Anderson's key collaborator's, Key Grip Sanjay Sami. I'll paste in the article's text over a series of posts:

Wes Anderson’s Secret Weapon: The Camera Moves of Sanjay Sami

Sami brings ingenious design, a D.I.Y. spirit and pure athletic ability to the job of key grip — pushing and pulling heavy camera rigs with exacting precision.

By Melena Ryzik
June 21, 2023

Wes Anderson’s intricate films are known for their jewel box sets, vibrant costumes and starry ensemble casts. But there’s another element that gives his movies their distinctive look and feel, and it comes in the form of a 52-year-old grip.

Sanjay Sami, a native of Mumbai, India, got his start on Bollywood movies and has been working with Anderson since 2006, mostly as a dolly grip. It’s a rough job, pushing and pulling a camera mounted on a dolly — a setup weighing up to 900 pounds — along hundreds of feet of track built for a scene, and Sami has engineered, invented and refined it into an art form.

On a typical movie, a dolly might move the camera left to right or back and forth. In the Wesiverse, it goes in all those directions — and sometimes up and down, too — in a single tracking shot, allowing, Anderson said, for unbroken expression. “It means the actors can stay in real time, and you can create something that really exists, in front of the camera.”

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Equal parts ingenious designer, D.I.Y. repair guru, rail engineer, cineaste and athlete, Sami is, according to many cast and crew members, Anderson’s secret weapon.

“He can masterfully execute the most intricate camera moves I’ve ever seen,” said Adrien Brody, a frequent Anderson star, who called Sami “exacting and relentless and extremely devoted.”

Last year, on “The French Dispatch,” Sami executed the most complicated shot of his career, a 70-second walk-and-talk through an unusually active police station, performed as a monologue by Jeffrey Wright, with the dolly speeding up and slowing down to keep pace with his clipped delivery.

This year, Sami topped that with a scene in “Asteroid City,” Anderson’s latest, in which Brody moves through a long theater space in an exquisitely detailed choreography of sets, props, walls, actors, dialogue and camera, which “has to come off of a set of tracks and then be loaded seamlessly onto another set of tracks and hit numerous precise marks at very specific timings,” Brody noted.

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Another complex moment came early on in “Asteroid City,” filmed in Spain and set in an eerie, midcentury Southwestern landscape. Wright, playing a general, gives a speech to a young group of astronomers and junior scientists, as the camera moves back and forth and side to side (almost a star pattern) on a triple-layered track, setting the scene and building a sense of Wright’s character.

“There’s a lot of responsibility, because we are the viewer’s eyes,” Sami said, in a video interview from his home in Mumbai. “We’re moving the emotion and the story, more than just moving the camera.”

Anderson sends Sami scripts early on in his projects, and then the animatics — rough animations that convey the long tracking shots the filmmaker likes. “He’s the one who points out, ‘This is tricky,’” Anderson said. “He’ll express the physics of it to me.”

And then Sami bends the usual laws of cinema, inventing a new rig or ordering an unheard-of amount of track, where other filmmakers might resort to green screens or other visual effects. “The thing I love is, with Sanjay, we essentially are using the same equipment that we might have used on a movie 75 years ago,” Anderson said, “but we’re arranging it in a way that it hasn’t been arranged before.”

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In a scene in “The French Dispatch,” for example, Owen Wilson’s character arrives riding a bicycle, and the camera tracking him has to quickly start and stop at the same rate that he does — one of Anderson’s visual signatures. “But we’re accelerating a huge amount of weight from a standstill on one grip’s power, as opposed to a light bicycle that he’s already at speed with,” Sami said. So he concocted a system involving a bungee cord anchored to a truck that could spring the camera up to the right velocity instantly.

“I think what he likes about working with me is that I hate saying no to anything,” said Sami, who has also worked with Christopher Nolan. “No matter how crazy the demand is, I always want to find a solution. Maybe a crazy solution. That’s part of what makes my job really interesting.”

“Sometimes the crazier the method, the happier he is,” he added of Anderson.

Sami has worked on Anderson’s commercial projects and every live action film since “The Darjeeling Limited” (2007), when he impressed the filmmaker by devising a way to fit a dolly into the narrow old rail cars they used as a set: he mounted a hidden track on the train’s ceiling.

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To achieve Anderson’s vision, Sami must often run at full speed, weighted down with gear — a Steadicam, which he also operates, is over 60 pounds — spin around and come to an abrupt, dizzying halt. “It’s 10 or 12 hours of very, very physical work,” he said. “It’s not just endurance — you need a huge amount of strength to be able to stop and start those moves, or you’re going to hurt yourself.”

So he has an exercise regimen of daily resistance training specifically for an Anderson flick. “I used to play rugby, and a lot of the rugby training crosses over,” he said.

Before he got into movies, Sami was an industrial diver and underwater welder, working on oil rigs. He got his start in the film industry during a marine contractor strike, when a friend invited him onto a set. “I saw this traveling circus full of crazy people who come together briefly, make a movie. And then it’s another movie — same circus, different clowns,” he said. “I loved it.” (He also has a degree in political science — a fanciful enough background that he himself could be a Wes Anderson character: the Life Aquatic, and on the Rails, with Sanjay Sami.)

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Collaborating with Adam Stockhausen, Anderson’s production designer, and Robert Yeoman, the cinematographer, Sami — whose official title is key grip, the head of his department — has an unusual amount of input. “He’s sort of a producer for us,” Anderson said. “He helps us figure out how we’re going to get things done. And he’s a good manager of people. So his voice comes into the discussion in ways that have nothing to do with pushing a dolly.”

Sometimes the simplest-seeming shots are also the most difficult to create. For a carousel scene in “The Grand Budapest Hotel,” using a real ride wouldn’t match Anderson’s slightly surreal concept. Instead, they built a circular track with a pie-shaped platform atop it, and more track atop that. It was capped by a skateboard-style dolly, for the carousel horse. Once it rolled into the frame and the actress Saoirse Ronan hopped on, two off-camera grips clamped it down. “And then we start pushing the whole pie-shaped wooden piece on the circular track,” Sami said. The moment lasts barely 40 seconds, but it “always stands out to me, because it was the beginning of some of the more complex things that we started doing.”

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Beyond the dense, staccato paragraphs and action Anderson’s scripts require of the big stars, a battalion of extras — not always trained actors; he likes to hire locals on location — must nail every tiny detail, like smoothing a mustache or blowing a smoke ring, at the exact right moment, in the right sequence, to cue each other and the camera. There are verbal, visual and motion cues, all marks to hit with strict precision. “Two inches is a mile to Wes,” Sami said. “He’ll notice if you’re off by three millimeters.” (Sami uses lasers to guide his positioning.)

And they don’t just run these scenes a handful of times. “Sometimes, by the time everyone’s got their part of the choreography together, we’re on Take 25 or 27,” he said. “And when you start getting into those numbers, if the actors all get it right and you get it wrong, no one’s going to remember anything except the fact that you blew that good take.”

Anderson swore he didn’t intentionally challenge his grip to new heights with every project; it just happens. “But I do like to feel free to do whatever we might picture, and to know that Sanjay will find a way,” he said. On a forthcoming Netflix short, “The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar,” based on a Roald Dahl tale, Sami literally sent the camera soaring. “He built a track going up into the sky at an angle,” Anderson said. It leans like a ladder in midair, “and the camera is on another track with a jib arm and a dolly attached to the top of the jib.”

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For Sami, all the sweat, effort and dizzy spells are worth it when he sees the finished product onscreen. “I’ve done more than 80 feature films, and the ones I’m most proud of are the ones that we do with Wes,” he said, “because it’s just work that, for me, from a grip point of view, doesn’t exist outside of this world.”

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This article is a reminder that behind every true visual stylist from Hitchcock and Capra to Lucas to Anderson is a host of gifted technicians and inventors and artisans making new things real and possible for them. I'll have to check out who John Russell's and Robert Burks's Key Grips were but it sounds like Sami is one for the ages right now.

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This article is a reminder that behind every true visual stylist from Hitchcock and Capra to Lucas to Anderson is a host of gifted technicians and inventors and artisans making new things real and possible for them.

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Yes. I would say in Hitchcock's case that he sought out the best and -- for a key period there in the 50s and early 60s -- kept the "same guys" on the team: Robert Burks for photography; George Tomasini for "precision film editing," and from The Man Who Knew Too Much Through Marnie, Bernard Herrmann on music.

In fact, Marnie was the last movie for all three men. Herrmann wrote music for Torn Curtain but was fired(though his Torn Curtain music has ended up in movies by Scorsese and QT.) Burks was never HIRED for Torn Curtain(and died in a house fire before he could be considered for Topaz.) Tomasini died at 55 of a heart attack on a camping trip before Torn Curtain was made.

Its hard to say that the four movies after Marnie had "sub par" cinematography. Hitchcock used ANOTHER on of his TV guys -- John F. Warren(as opposed to John Russell on Psycho) to implement Hitchcocks attempt to "get hip" with Eurofllm technique of his own: natural lighting, a gauzy effect, emplasis on gray to match the gray villainy of East German communism.

Hitchcock used Jack Hildyard to photograph Topaz; I thought that it, too, had a nice "gauzy " look like Torn Curtain but with lot more color -- topaz, of course, but also red for Communism and purple for Juanita's "flower of blood" dress.

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For Frenzy, Hitchcock had one of the best in the British business -- Gil Taylor who shot Dr. Strangelove before Frenzy and Star Wars after. Some think that the credit sequence of Frenzy(titles AND photography) looks cheapjack, but I think Ron Goodwin's score creates that effect somewhat , but I think overall, the film looks pretty good and crystallline in the Hitchocck tradition. The juxtaposition of Bob Rusk's butterscotch-red hair against blue backgrounds(the glass door of Brenda's office, the night sky in the potato truck) adds a weird beauty to horrific scenes. (Not to mention the great travelling shot of Rusk and his next victim Babs through the Covent Garden marketplace; she in her fruit-orange dress
suit(that will be evidence later on); he in his bright purple shirt and deadly tie.

For what would turn out to be his final film, Family Plot, Hitchcock upgraded a man who, I think was the "mere" camera operator on some late Hitchcock movies and the TV show: Leonard South. South had no great credentials(one snooty critic noted "I've never heard of this cinematoprapher and I don't care if I ever do again"), but he actually delivered one of the most beautiful visual scenes I've ever seen in a Hitchcock movie: Bruce Dern(in his blue sportcoat) talking to a department store saleswoman(in a violet dress) -- the whole scene suffused in blue and violet. (South went on to be the DP for the sitcom, "Designing Women.")

From Hitchcock's films BEFORE Robert Burks came in (Strangers on a Train, yes?) I know that Hitch had some great DPS of the forties, but i can't really remember them. Shadow of a Doubt and Notorious were particularly well photographed. (Joseph Valentine and Ted Tetzlaff, as I recall.) And who did Rope -- Hitchcock's first color film?

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In a scene in “The French Dispatch,” for example, Owen Wilson’s character arrives riding a bicycle, and the camera tracking him has to quickly start and stop at the same rate that he does — one of Anderson’s visual signatures. “But we’re accelerating a huge amount of weight from a standstill on one grip’s power, as opposed to a light bicycle that he’s already at speed with,” Sami said. So he concocted a system involving a bungee cord anchored to a truck that could spring the camera up to the right velocity instantly.

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I saw that film, and now I think I DO remember that shot. Wes and his tech folks create a world and style, that's for sure. (And don't forget, The Grand Budapest Hotel has that long sequence in it saluting "Gromek stalks Paul Newman" in Torn Curtain. Torn Curtain gets referenced a LOT by our modern auteurs, yes?)

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Wes Anderson can certainly be counted among our modern "auteurs." As QT announces a final film and the Coens seem to have broken up(how long? who knows?) we need to keep our auteurs close. The OTHER Anderson(PT) got his turn in the spotlight with Licorice Pizza -- its Wes's turn with Asteroid City. I love the color scheme(desert yellow, almost turquoise blue sky) and the plot looks...Wes-sy.

Saturday Night Live did a perfect short spoof of Wes Anderson -- imagining him directing one of those home invasion movies like "The Strangers"(ugh to that genre), "The Midnight Coterie of Sinister Intruders" and showing us the trailer on SNL near Halloween. with Wes regular Ed Norton playing Wes regular Owen Wilson(perfect impression) and other references, mainly to The Royal Tennenbaums(Wes' true masterpiece of entertainment, you ask me, and Gene Hackman's last great role.) Alas: Alec Baldwin perfectly narrated The Royal Tennenbaums and he perfectly narrates this "fake" trailer. Alas because...its too bad he gave us all those great performances(Glengarry Glen Ross, The Departed) and VOICE performances and will now be ...well, you know.

This SNL trailer is on YouTube and well worth watching. Perfect.

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Alas: Alec Baldwin perfectly narrated The Royal Tennenbaums and he perfectly narrates this "fake" trailer. Alas because...its too bad he gave us all those great performances(Glengarry Glen Ross, The Departed) and VOICE performances and will now be ...well, you know.
I assume you're referring to Baldwin's problems with the onset death on his Western picture Rust. I guess I figured that at least with good lawyering he'd always get off, legitimately: he wasn't the Armorer end of story. And every film's that's not a Marvel-style blockbuster has to cut corners these days. The industry will forgive any corner-cutting that Baldwin sanctioned as producer. I really don't see Baldwin as in danger of becoming untouchable and his past stuff unwatchable and/or unlistenable!

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Alas: Alec Baldwin perfectly narrated The Royal Tennenbaums and he perfectly narrates this "fake" trailer. Alas because...its too bad he gave us all those great performances(Glengarry Glen Ross, The Departed) and VOICE performances and will now be ...well, you know.

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I assume you're referring to Baldwin's problems with the onset death on his Western picture Rust.

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Yeah....its one of those things where to enter the discussion is to unavoidably become ...judgmental. But there is certainly a lot I don't like about the whole "smell" of the affair.

On the one hand: Alec Baldwin over decades now has proven himself to be an entertaining presence in films and on TV. Tina Fey created and wrote(some?) of 30 Rock and was funny enough in it, but without Alec Baldwin there with his comedy villain star power, I think that show would have sunk LIKE a rock. (NBC knew it too, they paid Baldwin big bucks to come aboard and that's among the reasons he's a very rich man with a house in the Hamptons.)

There's his famous one-shot opening scene in Glengarry Glen Ross -- a great David Mamet speech and Baldwin playing an extremely mean and unlikeable man.

And I've always liked his "around the edges" SUPPORTING part in The Departed, in which the movie says, "Well, Matt and Leo and Jack are the big names here, Wahlberg is the surprise but hey...here's Alec Baldwin to keep things funny." He had THAT kind of personality by then. I expect he took the small role because it was Scorsese.

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And yet. Even a cursory review of Baldwin's antics since way back when Kim Basinger and he wreaked havoc on Neil Simon's The Marrying Man" paints a picture of a very tempermental, very entitled, probably borderline sociopathic individual.

Remember that Baldwin got fired from the juicy part of Jack Ryan in the Tom Clancy movies. Part of it was that Harrison Ford -- a bigger star -- was brought in for Patriot Games. But part of it was that Baldwin just wasn't much liked on sets.

Anyway, he was a jerk as a jet passenger and a jerk with the paps and a jerk with his daughter and certainly he's been behaving like a jerk during much of this legal thing. Its just the guy he is.

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I guess I figured that at least with good lawyering he'd always get off, legitimately: he wasn't the Armorer end of story. And every film's that's not a Marvel-style blockbuster has to cut corners these days. The industry will forgive any corner-cutting that Baldwin sanctioned as producer. I really don't see Baldwin as in danger of becoming untouchable and his past stuff unwatchable and/or unlistenable!

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We shall see. This are odd times. He's not really a superstar, but even superstars can get their credentials yanked pretty quickly by the studios these days...their bankable stardom stops on a dime. Mel Gibson. Johnny Depp. Will Smith. Gibson and Depp have come back...but not for the same pay , or in the same kind of projects. We're waiting on Smith(about whom, please note: though he will be very rich forever, Smith's career was already starting to cool down when the slap occurred.)

Baldwin has beat the criminal rap. Seems to be fending off the civil suits. So its only really about how long before he gets hired for major movies or TV again -- that will be the test. Stars are supposed to DRAW you to the theater, not keep you away from it.

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I'm waiting to see if Baldwin's "oldest, bestest pal" in New York entertainment, Lorne Michaels, ever brings him back to SNL. That will be probably be the signal that he's OK for a comeback. Meanwhile, Michaels last year hired a different Trump impersonator, and a better one at that.

Sidebar: For awhile there in the 90's, Alec Baldwin was suddenly surrounded by all these brothers angling for movie careers. There was William (Billy) Baldwin, who got a "sensitive young stud" career for awhile(Backdraft), though his co-star in "Sliver," Sharon Stone, hated him and said something like "I got the wrong Baldwin brother in my movie. Alec I'd let bend me over a couch anytime." (Ah Sharon Stone back in her sex star heyday.) Then there was Daniel Baldwin, aka "the fat Baldwin brother"(until Alec started catching up to him, they started to look alike!) . He got a TV series, right? And he played himself playing Tony Soprano in Christopher's movie "Cleaver." I liked Daniel Baldwin as James Wood's hulking, handsome sidekick vampire hunter in John Carpenter's Vampires.

Then there was Stephen Baldwin, the "little brother" somewhat brokered as a "teen star," who brought along with him religion and some conservative vibes at odds with Alec.

As one critic wrote at the time, it was like Alec Baldwin -- the true potential star of the brothers -- was diluted by the flood of brothers around him.

Over time, Billy, Daniel and Stephen all faded away. Alec kept his stardom pretty much as a character man for comedy. He had that great X-rated voice(perfect to narrate Tennenbaums) that clipped and comical timing. Alec Baldwin had the stuff to keep going at some level of stardom that his brothers did not.

Again, we will see if he gets the roles.

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Two more things on the tragic death on Rust.

ONE: Baldwin has beaten the criminal rap on Rust, but I was intrigued how, early on, George Clooney(who has quite a temper himself) came out in a very accusing manner towards Alec: "The actor should ALWAYS check the gun to make sure the bullets are blanks before firing it! I do!" I always felt if that was true as set custom and practice, maybe Baldwin would have a legal problem. Didn't happen. But the issue was Clooney coming out so early against him. Methinks maybe Clooney lost a role or two to Baldwin? Lost a woman to Baldwin? Some real animosity there, "in public."

TWO: Baldwin has gone ahead and finished "Rust." "In honor of the dead woman." Perhaps, but it still feels wrong. I guess The Crow was released even after Bruce Lee's son was shot on THAT set.

And I recall how they released "The Twilight Zone" even after Vic Morrow and two Vietnamese children were killed by a helicopter on set. The movie was a four segment film, with four directors(Spielberg, basking in his ET success; George Mad Max Miller, Joe Dante, and Animal House kingpin John Landis.) The deaths occurred on Landis' segment. In the released version showed a "truncated" version of that segment("to honor Vic Morrow") but it was so clearly missing its major scenes that it seemed like an insult to Morrow's memory. Spielberg's segment was second worst(his ET magic congealed -- but word is he lost all heart for the project). Dante's was fine and George Miller's was the best(from the classic "William Shatner sees a gremlin on the wing of his airplane" episode.)

Still, regardless of the quality of the other episodes, the Vic Morrow episode brought the entire movie down. I expect that will happen with Rust.

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Speaking of celebrities whose careers have been wrecked by scandal:

We will recall that actress Felicity Huffman got caughtin a college admissions scandal and did about of week of jail time for it, plus other penalties. But the BIGGEST penalty seems to be: ALMOST no roles since that arrest. Maybe one. Plus a pilot ("Sacramento River Cats," about a real life minor baseball team) which never seems to get a premiere.

The issue here is: is there enough animosity out there among "the public" to keep Huffman from getting roles? I'm assuming that the studios feel that Gibson, Depp, and Smith now have people out there who really DONT LIKE them for their behavior...so why risk multi-million dollar movies on them?

Or even TV roles. Huffman made her money on "Desperate Housewives," so I suppose she's OK. But -- unlike accidentally shooting someone to death -- HER crime was at once intentional(rigging her daughter's school SATS) and one that CAN enrage John Q. Public("MY daughter got into school on her REAL grades!" OR: "My daughter was kept out so that Huffman's daughter could cheat and get in!") There could be simmering public resentment -- or maybe nobody remembers at all.

Collateral damage: Huffman's husband William H. Macy("The New Arbogast," there , on topic.) Macy was on a cable series called Shameless when the scandal hit(he wasn't charged but he seemed uh, AWARE) but he rode out that series to the end, and has worked since that show went off the air. But not as much as he USED to.

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And I recall how they released "The Twilight Zone" even after Vic Morrow and two Vietnamese children were killed by a helicopter on set.
The NY Times just had a new article about that disaster. Here's how they tell it:

It happened at 2:20 a.m. on Friday, July 23, 1982. Landis’s segment — which concerned a loudmouthed bigot (Vic Morrow) who gets a taste of his own medicine...Chased by a military helicopter, Morrow’s character was to carry two Vietnamese children across a river to safety as a village exploded behind them. But the sequence was poorly planned and barely rehearsed, and the explosions damaged the rotor blades of the chopper, causing the pilot to lose control. The helicopter crashed into the river, dismembering Morrow and the two children...

As investigators examined the crash, they discovered that the children’s mere presence on the set had been illegal. Child labor law regulations prohibited children from working at that late hour; further, no on-set child-welfare worker would have permitted them to work in such proximity to explosions or a helicopter. So Landis and one of the producers, George Folsey Jr., went outside regulations, casting children of mutual acquaintances, keeping their names out of the production’s official paperwork and paying them in petty cash. A production secretary recalled Landis joking of the scheme, “We’re all going to jail!”

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(Cont'd)...Communication between the director, the special-effects crew and the helicopter pilot was all but nonexistent that night. When a stunt performer noted that the explosion was more forceful than expected in an earlier helicopter shot, Landis reportedly replied, “If you think that was big, you haven’t seen nothing yet.”

It took three more years, after the unsealing of those indictments on the film’s opening day, for the case to come to trial. Landis, Folsey and three other defendants were charged with involuntary manslaughter, a felony. The trial was a media sensation...Yet the defendants were acquitted on all charges, thanks to a somewhat bungled prosecution and a seemingly star-struck jury.

There were some consequences for the filmmakers and for Warner Bros., the studio behind the picture, including fines for labor violations and settlements in civil suits filed by the families of the deceased. But in spite of the deaths on his set, and the troubling stories of his behavior and decisions leading up to it, the industry rallied behind John Landis....Landis’s career would eventually slow down — not because of the deaths, but because his films stopped making money.

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This year, Sami topped that with a scene in “Asteroid City,” Anderson’s latest, in which Brody moves through a long theater space in an exquisitely detailed choreography of sets, props, walls, actors, dialogue and camera, which “has to come off of a set of tracks and then be loaded seamlessly onto another set of tracks and hit numerous precise marks at very specific timings,” Brody noted.


Another complex moment came early on in “Asteroid City,” filmed in Spain and set in an eerie, midcentury Southwestern landscape. Wright, playing a general, gives a speech to a young group of astronomers and junior scientists, as the camera moves back and forth and side to side (almost a star pattern) on a triple-layered track, setting the scene and building a sense of Wright’s character.

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I have now seen "Asteroid City" -- at the movie theater, even, and I can report that those visual moments were very impressive.

The movie? Not so much.

I'm a little surprised that there isn't more "internet debate"(on official internet magazine sites) about Asteroid City and what it means in the Wes (not PT) Anderon canon.

On the one hand, the movie seems to have "broken Wes Anderson house records" in LA and NYC but...how's it doing nationwide? Worldwide? It is heading to streaming in July.

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I'll note this in passing. It is now July. I saw Asteroid City in June and realized, to my dismay , that it was the ONLY movie I had seen at a theater in the entire first half of 2023. For me, that's a terrible record. I'm of an age where they don't EXPECT me at movie theaters or even WANT me at movie theaters(I was certainly not welcome during COVID ) and yet, I PRIDE myself on going to movie theaters even as I get older.

But Asteroid City was it for the first half of 2023 -- until I saw the new Indiana Jones film on June 30. So that's two for the first half of the year.

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The second half should be better. I'm looking to see Oppenheimer in IMAX and Scorsese's Killers of the Flower Moon during its brief theatrical window in October before Apple gets it.

And probably the new Mission Impossible, too. Interesting, before seeing Indy Jones as a feature they showed a short about the new MI and how Tom Cruise shot a big fight and chase on a train sequence.

Then Indy Jones came on the screen and opened with -- a big fight and chase on a train sequence.

I suppose screen action is sort of bankrupt -- there are only so many action scenes you can stage (A Bond of a few years back had a train action sequence, and The Lone Ranger of a decade ago had a REALLY GOOD train action sequence, boosted by the William Tell Overture on the soundtrack for excitement.)

We will just keep showing up for our train action sequences -- and new generations yet unborn will get THEIR train action sequences.

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Meanwhile, Asteroid City.

My companion flat out hated it, start to finish, but as I explained, "this is an art film, I probably made a mistake bringing you along." Nothing snobbish there; I myself have a resistance to art films in that I just don't think I am genetically composed to fully appreciate them.

Still, I felt that Wes had really taken himself to the edge here -- a bunch of stars not really being well or memorably used, reduced in many parts to tiny cameos -- all in service of a movie that LOOKED great(the desert landscape with its particular shade of blue sky and its particular type of rock formations was ALWAYS powerfully impressive to the eye) but went...well NOT nowhere, but nowhere particularly interesting.

I thought of how Tom Hanks got screwed again...when he did HIS Coen Brothers movie, it was The LadyKillers(which I loved but the world hates.) Now as he does HIS Wes Anderson movie....its weightless. There is almost nothing for him to do. (Bill Murray skipped this one -- Steve Carell took his part, and one feels the Absence of Murray.)

The movie certainly reflects a brilliant, unique mind out to challenge to viewer -- one mark of a true art film maker -- and I am more than willing to give Asteroid City another try.

I liked the fact that the desert backdrop fronted a "motel with individual cabin units" -- which DO exist(or did) and allows the various characters to literally compartmentalize and watch each other through the windows of the units. A brilliant idea, brillianly used.

And I liked the fact that the "Technicolor movie" was a false conceit -- a TV play of the same story was also being staged and shot in boxy black and white(and narrated on camera by Bryan Cranston, getting a little more to do that the other stars.) And we got to see the "career angst" of the playwright(Wes stalwart, Edward Norton -- who barely works NOT for Wes.)

But at the end of the day, "Asteroid City' felt far removed from the actual humanity of the great Royal Tennebaums(Owen Wilson isn't in this one, either) and deep into its own nazel gazing and audience alienation.)

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Oh, both ScarJo(a lot) and Margot Robbie(a little) are in Asteroid City, so Wes can compliment himself on scoring two of our major female stars. As for ScarJo: she has a split second nude moment that struck me as a body double but she says WAS her to which I say: why do a nude scene if it looks like you were body doubled(no head and face in the frame.)

Which reminds me: I understand that Jennifer Lawrence's return to the screen ina "raunchy but sweet comedy" ("No Hard Feelings") includes a lengthty comedy fight scene she does in the nude and evidently quite visibly her(and proudly so, says J-Law in interviews.)

To which I say: you go ladies. And bring on the men , too. A crack in the puritan times at the movies is welcome.

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The NY Times just had a new article about that disaster.

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Interesting. Perhaps inspired by the more recent Baldwin/Rust tragedy?

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Here's how they tell it:

It happened at 2:20 a.m. on Friday, July 23, 1982. Landis’s segment — which concerned a loudmouthed bigot (Vic Morrow) who gets a taste of his own medicine...The helicopter crashed into the river, dismembering Morrow and the two children...

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As investigators examined the crash, they discovered that the children’s mere presence on the set had been illegal. Child labor law regulations prohibited children from working at that late hour; further, no on-set child-welfare worker would have permitted them to work in such proximity to explosions or a helicopter. So Landis and one of the producers, George Folsey Jr., went outside regulations, casting children of mutual acquaintances, keeping their names out of the production’s official paperwork and paying them in petty cash. A production secretary recalled Landis joking of the scheme, “We’re all going to jail!”

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That was all pretty bad just to start with -- and when that illegal use of child actors -- in the middle of the night -- led to such a horrendous accident(bring on the arrogant director and the incompetent explosion-makers) -- it sure seemed like The End of John Landis.

But it wasn't.

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But in spite of the deaths on his set, and the troubling stories of his behavior and decisions leading up to it, the industry rallied behind John Landis....Landis’s career would eventually slow down — not because of the deaths, but because his films stopped making money.

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That's an interesting point.

When The Twilight Zone accident happened, Landis had either already filmed -- or worse, BEGAN to film, another movie called "Trading Places" with Dan Ackroyd and Eddie Murphy(Ackroyd was the bigger name but not for long.) This was all in 1982.

Came the summer fo 1983, The Twlight Zone opened and bombed, but Trading Places was a bit hit, so Landis still had his Hollywood bona fides. But his legal troubles were in the news.

SO: In 1985, Landis directed and released a "violent thriller comedy" called "Into the Night," which boasted the "gimmick" of about 20 or so movie directors playing bit parts "in support of their fellow director." Directors like Don Siegel and Jonathan Demme and Lawrence Kasdan and Jack Arnold and Roger Vadim all showed up to support their fellow filmmaker("It could have happened to me.") Funniest: Don Siegel emerging from a men's room stall with the beautiful woman who has just serviced him.

Landis himself took a small part in Into the Night as one of four murderous Iranian hit men who kill a few innocents as the movie goes on -- and then Landis meets a truly gruesome death himself. Punishing himself? Electing to erase horrific real deaths with fake deaths?

I personally LIKE "Into the Night" a lot. Its equal parts fun and violent, a 'dusk til dawn adventure" with Jeff Goldblum as the perfect Hitchcockian "man who gets caught up in a plot" and Michelle Pffeiffer as the woman who drags him into it. Vera "Psycho" Miles has a key short part.

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So what do I DO about that? Compartmentalize, I guess. Indeed, the business eventually parted ways with John Landis. His time came. (By the way, his blockbuster hit "Animal House" is a favorite of mine. I suppose you could say that Animal House made Landis' head inflate to where he brought that Twilight Zone tragedy on himself...with some help.)

Two noteable things John Landis did after his tragic period:

ONE: Landis has a role in Psycho IV: The Beginning(1990) -- all through the cable-only movie -- in the "frame story" with Anthony Perkins calling into a talk show(Landis is an executive in the radio booth with the DJ) with Landis uttering the immortal words "Isn't this the guy that killed that woman in the shower years ago?")

TWO: Landis can be found on YouTube as a frequent-host of "Trailers From Hell" clips, in which semi-famous Hollywood folk(screenwriters in the main) host trailers and comment on the movies there-in. Landis cuts a jubliant, cheery, and funny figure(all tragedy banished, and that's OK by me) as he introduces himself by various movie names: "Hi, I'm Delores Del Rio," "Hi, I'm Buster Crabbe," etc. One feels the loss given how funny and brash he remains -- John Landis coulda shoulda had a much bigger career.

On the Trailers From Hell site, Landis hosts the original Psycho trailer with Hitchcock's tour. Its fitting because Hitchcock was a big fan of 1978's Animal House and had many studio lunches with John Landis in the coupla years before Hitchcock's death in 1980. Landis tried to get Hitchcock to appear(holding a miniturized Lily Tomlin in his hands) in the trailer for "The Incredible Shrinking Woman," but it was no go.

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One other thing about Asteroid City.

Near the beginning(not AT the beginning) as the credits roll we get a shot of a train(animated?) heading to Asteroid City(based on the opening of Bad Day at Black Rock, I've read) and a 1957 song called "Last Train to San Fernando."

I looked up the song on YouTube. It is "for real," and sung by some rockability guy of 1957 with some distinctively wacky vocals and I thought:

"Where do these auteur filmmakers FIND these songs?"

So often a moviemaker puts a song on the soundtrack of a movie and (a) I've never heard it in my life and (b) it is pretty entertaining.

Paul Anderson's "Licorice Pizza," set in 1973, opened with a sweet love song called "July Tree" and ended with a hip and upbeat song called "Tomorrow May Not Be Your Day" and though I was around in 1973, I NEVER heard those songs back then. Where did PT Anderson find them?

PT Anderson DID use a song in Licorice Pizza that I DID have and I was pleased to hear it: "Lisa Listen To Me" by Blood Sweat and Tears. Those guys had much bigger hits(Spinning Wheel, And When I Die) but that Lisa song was on a 1971 Best of Album and I had it and I liked that song but..it wasn't FAMOUS like Spinning Wheel so I guess that's why PT Anderson used it.

Wes Anderson also used a different unknown song called "Freight Train" in Asteroid City, I've learned. But that "Last Train to San Fernando" is just wacky and sets the mood just right.

Again: how do these people FIND these songs?

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Again: how do these people FIND these songs?

The music supervisor for Asteroid City is Randall Poster. He's done almost all of Wes Anderson’s films going back to Rushmore.

‘Music supervisor’ is a kind of big deal position these days. Poster and Karyn Rachtman (who did all early QT and PTA films, + soundtrack smashes like Reality Bites and Clueless, Romeo+Juliet) kind of pioneered the position in the ‘90s. Now people who are trying to make long Careers out of their great taste in and encyclopaedic knowledge of music are a dime a dozen! Variety has ‘10 hot music supervisors’ type articles, e.g. https://variety.com/lists/music-supervisors-2021/meryl-ginsberg/

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The music supervisor for Asteroid City is Randall Poster. He's done almost all of Wes Anderson’s films going back to Rushmore.

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Well, there you go. Makes sense.

And something recently hit me about this "Last Train" song.

It could not have been THAT hard for a music supervisor to find it. Just go to Youtube, type in "Train song" and you get quite a FEW train songs.

Or maybe "Last Train to San Fernando" is now on YouTube BECAUSE Wes Anderson found it.

The movie is fading fast in my memory, but as I recall, an animated road runner(who looks nothing like the Famous One), does a little dance in the corner of the screen to this song. Or another one about a train. I can't remember.

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Music supervisor’ is a kind of big deal position these days. Poster and Karyn Rachtman (who did all early QT and PTA films, + soundtrack smashes like Reality Bites and Clueless, Romeo+Juliet) kind of pioneered the position in the ‘90s. Now people who are trying to make long Careers out of their great taste in and encyclopaedic knowledge of music are a dime a dozen! Variety has ‘10 hot music supervisors’ type articles, e.g. https://variety.com/lists/music-supervisors-2021/meryl-ginsberg/

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Hmm...I shoulda guessed.

And the funny thing is: Wes Anderson ends up SEEMING the "auteur" who selected the songs, but more likely he APPROVED songs found by the supervisor. Another refutation of the auteur theory except -- I assume that the music supervisor must try to "think like Wes."

Brings me back to PAUL Anderson and Licorice Pizza.

He gave an interview where he said to find songs of 1973(and before, and one after), he "looked at popular music charts of the time." And yet, Licorice Pizza contains(again) a number of songs I don't remember at all - July Tree(at the beginning) and "Tomorrow Might Not Be Your Day"(at the end) most importantly. I'll grant you that I recognized "Stumblin' In" (on the plane, from 1978) and the Doors Peace Frog(not one of their most famous hits.) But not those other two.

So I figure that Paul Anderson put his music supervisors on a quest: (1) I need a beautiful love song to start this movie and (2) I need a triumphant and hopeful song of joy to end this movie. And SOMEBODY found them -- by the way, I know the artists were known -- Nina Simone for July Tree and Taj Majal for "Tomorrow May Not Be Your Day"(a grim title with a happy message -- "Carpe Diem" go for the girl/guy NOW...tomorrow may not be your day.)

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Meanwhile, ANOTHER movie about 1973 -- that I saw on streaming in the last year -- "Dick"(teenage girls bust Watergate with Nixon) had NOTHING but "Top Forty" early 1970s songs -- Tie A Yellow Ribbon, You're So Vain,Popcorn, Brother Louie, Coconut -- were INSTANTLY recognizable but too "easy" -- that's what makes Licorice Pizza an art film (though I love the memory dip of "Dick.")

I suppose music supervison dates back to American Graffiti in the biggest way -- wall to wall 50's/60's tunes -- and no Elvis(too costly for the budget.)

That movie was MADE in 1973. Which reminds me:

In 1972 in Alfred Hitchcock's Frenzy, killer Bob Rusk slips into a rural highway diner and there is a "rock instrumental" on the soundtrack coming from the diner. Its nothing -- a rock tune written by the movie's composer, Ron Goodwin. Its a catchy tune, actually but -- can you imagine if Hitchcock were able to put Honky Tonk Women on there, instead?

In 1971, Clint Eastwood's self-directed thriller "Play Misty for Me" ALSO opened with a totally fake "rock instrumental" so it wasn't just Old Alfred behind the times. American Graffiti would set a new pace -- for SOME movies; John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith had plenty of juice left.

Its a trivia question -- likely unanswered here -- what OTHER movies used rock soundtracks with real songs? I'd say all of Scorsese's -- and with all that Rolling Stones he uses, I'd say he's showin' his age.

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what OTHER movies used rock soundtracks with real songs? I'd say all of Scorsese's
The Graduate (Simon and Gurfunkel) and Harold and Maude (Cat Stevens) are five star classics in this regard. More recent efforts: Danny Boyle has had some monster pop/rock/dance soundtracks with Trainspotting being the biggest but checkout the final bewildering scene of his Trance (2013):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2nGW8qstgc

Cameron Crowe (esp. Singles, Almost Famous) and Sofia Coppola (esp. Virgin Suicides and Marie Antoinette) are two other jukebox soundtrack heavy-hitters in my view. Occasionally Richard Linklater (esp. Dazed and Confused). Famously, John Hughes gave most of his movies awesome rock/pop soundtracks, e.g., the opening credits of Some Kind of Wonderful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wjEaW0XOA
Finally, one really great modern band, Paramore led by Hayley Williams, got its start on the Twilight soundtrack. Their song 'Decode' is a Goth-rock masterpiece that builds and builds and that is a far deeper take on the film's material than the film itself managed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvnkAtWcKYg&pp=ygUPZGVjb2RlIHBhcmFtb3Jl
One more: Curtis Mayfield's soundtrack to Superfly is genius and far greater than the movie it accompanies.

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And I liked the fact that the "Technicolor movie" was a false conceit -- a TV play of the same story was also being staged and shot in boxy black and white(and narrated on camera by Bryan Cranston, getting a little more to do that the other stars.)>
So we see a documentary about a play, "Asteroid City", about technicolor goings on with Aliens out in the desert (the NYTimes called it Anderson's Turducken). It's very convoluted, patience-testing, arch-ness upon arch-ness stuff isn't it? I can almost hear Billy Wilder chiming in at this point to Wes what he said about someone's proposed dream-*within*-a-dream plot-point: 'You just lost a million dollars!'

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Wes has currently got what used to be Woody Allen's prerogative: the ability to get any number of big stars to work for SAG-scale (or damn close to it) on these jewellery box/Faberge Egg movies of his.

A bunch of European film-makers over the years have developed somewhat similar ways of working particularly late in their careers. Late Rivette, Late Fellini, the swede Roy Andersson all used (and in Andersson's case still use) their names to attract pretty starry casts to toil often for years on loony, attempted masterpieces. To work with those guys and probably with Wes too, you have to be a believer. Audiences have to believe too... but I guess that if you're Wes you're happy to wait for audiences to build over decades.

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So we see a documentary about a play, "Asteroid City", about technicolor goings on with Aliens out in the desert (the NYTimes called it Anderson's Turducken). It's very convoluted, patience-testing, arch-ness upon arch-ness stuff isn't it? I can almost hear Billy Wilder chiming in at this point to Wes what he said about someone's proposed dream-*within*-a-dream plot-point: 'You just lost a million dollars!

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Ha. Oh, maybe. It "broke all records" in LA and NYC (for Wes) ..8 million bucks gross? I suppose that's a good start for an art film.

Also, since i saw the film, I've seen some reviews(a coupla -- I hope not written by shills) with the title: "Asteroid City is Wes Anderson's Best Movie." OK, why not? I mean, it certainly has his signature style(now copied not only on SNL but ALL OVER THE INTERNET, I've found) and I know it is either TRYING to say something profound or actually SAYING something profound(art films always drive me nuts this way - "is it him..or me?"

Its not much of a spoiler to say that one "prop" in the Technicolor movie (and hence the TV play framing it) is...a freeway on-ramp that goes up into the air and connects to...nothing. Its a twee visual gag -- what is this? A failed public works project? A work of art ....and...either its profound or its not. I don't feel qualified to judge.

Hey, I go all the way back to seeing Wes's "first"(?) feature, Bottle Rocket-- says here that was 1996. Wes Anderson was just "promising" at that point, and the movie, while arch, actually had a plot(it HAD to.) It was rather like QT starting out with Reservoir Dogs -- small movie, plot, nothing special but...actually YES, special.

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Bottle Rocket introduced me -- and the world -- to the quirky Owen Wilson(a comedy star of sorts with a dramatic bent) and his more white bread handsome brother Luke. Hey they both had careers for quite sometime, and Owen still has a fairly big one. I recall that James Caan was landed for the "name star part"in Bottle Rocket.

But it was "The Royal Tennebaums" that hooked me good. THIS was Wes's Pulp Fiction, or his Boogie Nights(recall that PTA led with "Hard Eight/Sidney."

And I caught Rushmore and liked it -- Bill Murray started his march to respectability here, and stuck with Wes almost to today.

But it was Royal Tennebaums that sold me.

Indeed, my Personal Favorite of 2001(that grim-ending year) rotated among four films: The Royal Tennenbaums, Pitt and Clooney in Soderbergh's semi-arty Ocean's 11 remake(hey, I like Frank and Dino's better); Nolan's Memento and...ta da...my usual winner, "Moulin Rouge." (I can't help it, I loved the songs, the look, the Hitchcock-meets Love Story ending.)

But Royal Tennebaums is my fave Wes to this day. Gene Hackman's hilarious performance as a loving but awful patriarch("How about a little f you to the old man, eh?) , Bill Murray and Owen Wilson return, Gwyneth Patrow is deadpan Goth and sexy and on and on an on. Oh..Alec Baldwin's whispery and crisp R-rated voice gave excellent narration.

Since then, I have not seen ALL of Wes' work. I've missed the stop motion stuff and a couple of the live actions. I loved The Grand Budapest Hotel( with "Lobby Boy" and its homage to Torn Curtain) and liked , very much, The French Dispatch which, as I recall, got pushed WAY past its release date by COVID, and thus was "wounded" when finally released.

Asteroid City is SOMEWHERE in that bunch. But actually at the bottom of the ones noted above. Something's missing, I fear. The humanity of it..even as characters are grieving the death of a young mother(in the TV PLAY, maybe that's why it doesn't "hit.")

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Wes has currently got what used to be Woody Allen's prerogative: the ability to get any number of big stars to work for SAG-scale (or damn close to it) on these jewellery box/Faberge Egg movies of his.

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Ha and I guess that's it -- these stars WANT to be in at least one of his jewelry box/Faberge Egg movies of his -- PERFECT phrase! -- plus a number of them have surely formed a reperatory company for him. Tilda Swinton is BACK! Max Fischer(Jason Schwarzman) from Rushmore is BACK!(Widowed with kids...but not...he's only acting it...) Edward Norton(that most difficult and mysterious of interesting actors) is BACK! Etc.

I have generally been watching Wes's stuff alone these years, but I risked inviting someone with me to Asteroid City because of the stars: Hey, its got TOM HANKS (whom friend Martin Short recently roasted with: "Mr. Hanks was a big star back in the 90s..." Its got the star of BREAKING BAD(Bryan Cranston.) Its got good ol' Steve Carrell! Its got Marvel/DC sexbombs ScarJo and Margot Robbie.

And they are all quite OK but...not given much to do. It feels cheap, frankly. And my companion felt VERY gypped.

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Funny: word is that Bill Murray caught COVID and had to back out of Asteroid City(the second Wes movie in a row to fall before COVID.) Some critics thought that "Tom Hanks surely has the Bill Murray role." Nope. STEVE CARELL has the Bill Murray role, but surely Tom Hanks is IN the Bill Murray role. You can tell...Murray would have been better for that role.

I make this deal with myself: Asteroid City was too dazzling in its own typical Wes Anderson way for me to dismiss it outright. I can and will see it again(on streaming, likely -- its coming soon) and see if I can polish my art film bona fides and REALLY understand it.

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A bunch of European film-makers over the years have developed somewhat similar ways of working particularly late in their careers. Late Rivette, Late Fellini, the swede Roy Andersson all used (and in Andersson's case still use) their names to attract pretty starry casts to toil often for years on loony, attempted masterpieces. To work with those guys and probably with Wes too, you have to be a believer. Audiences have to believe too... but I guess that if you're Wes you're happy to wait for audiences to build over decades.

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I have heard about all that rather than experienced(watched it) and I'm all for it.

We are in a weird era where movies make a billion dollars around the world and yet "the movies are failing." (My theory is that with worldwide audiences, they SHOULD be making a trillion dollars. Heh.)

But I expect some studio with star support will keep funding Wes Anderson's little funky art pieces as long as he wants to make them. We will ALWAYS have some place to show them, and some place to write about them. And the stars just want to be in them.

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Wes at one of the last video stores in Paris:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynyFwKXSwB8
Films he considers include:
Vengeance is Mine 1:09
Drunken Angel 1:31
Simon of the Desert 1:59
City Streets 2:41
The Pajama Game 3:56
Meet Me in St. Louis 4:27
Sadie McKee 4:43
The Tall Target 5:39
Bad Day at Black Rock 6:20
A Streetcar Named Desire 6:40
Little Lord Fauntleroy 7:00
Marie Antoinette (1938) 7:26
Le Feu Follet 8:05
Classe tous Risques 8:40
Playtime 9:17
Agnes Varda / Vagabond 9:21
The Crime of Monsieur Lange 9:57
The Man who loved Women 10:54
Birth 11:54
Bridge of Spies 12:25
Drugstore Cowboy 13:04
Barfly 13:31
Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971) 14:30
Hollywood: A Celebration of the American Silent Film (1979) 15:39
Witness (calls it 'perfect' has good story) 16:32
Neon Genesis Evangelion 19:22
Only Yesterday 19:53

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At one point Wes starts recommending deep cuts from Renoir that almost nobody's seen and that Parisians who *do* have the chance to rent them never actually rent them.

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Wes at one of the last video stores in Paris:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynyFwKXSwB8

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And how trippy to see Brad Pitt make a similar tour of the place on another video. And I do believe that QT made a similar tour.

Its odd to see Wes Anderson -- who, in his Tom Wolfe white suit and thin, wispy figure -- rather LOOKS like the twee movies he makes -- talking about such mainstream fare as Bridge of Spies and The Pajama Game.

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Films he considers include:

The Pajama Game 3:56

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This 1957 musical is a "paired companion piece" with my favorite movie of 1958 -- Damn Yankees. They are best watched as a double-bill. Same director(s), producer, Warner Brothers production and sound. One movie star(Doris Day/Tab Hunter) paired with one original Broadway star(John Raitt/Gwen Verdon) as part of the formula, which mean the casting was quite unique.

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Meet Me in St. Louis 4:27

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Wasn't this the biggest hit of its year(an acheivement back when 100s of movies were released per year?) Its a favorite of a late family member so I made it one of mine. Such a sad movie at times. What has always gripped me is how it boils down to the father deciding NOT to move his family to another city. Mine moved us a LOT. That's how movie stars became my "friends" until I could make real ones. While I worked on making new friends, John Wayne and Steve McQueen were there at the local theater -- I already KNEW them.

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The Tall Target 5:39

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This used to be on local TV a lot in the 60's. Always liked the "revamped Dick Powell" -- tougher and more wry that the pretty boy goofball of Busby Berkeley. It was a good "period action movie" -- on a train -- about Powell fighting and stopping conspirators out to kill Lincoln. This time. The script of the unmade Harrison Ford thriller "Night Train Down" reminded me of this.

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Bad Day at Black Rock 6:20

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Nifty to see the direct footage comparison of the opening of this with the opening of "Asteroid City." I DO like the 1955 -style logo for Asteroid City on ads -- the words are in quotes -- "Asteroid City" -- which completes the 1955 ambiance.

I love Bad Day at Black Rock. Its a 1975 Charles Bronson movie(with Spencer Tracy as Bronson) except that 1955 censorship gets in the way: Tracy does NOT kill any of the bad guys -- Bronson surely would have killed 'em all. Tracy beats Ernest Borgnine with karate(with one arm, yet!) , knocks out Lee Marvin, and burns up Ultra Villain Robert Ryan.

I love it when Ryan's pretty henchgirl Anne Francis panics as he pulls a rifle on her:

Anne: But why kill ME?
Ryan: (amusingly) I have to start with SOMEBODY.

And he kills her. Very 1975 villain. But he doesn't get killed. Sheesh.

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Bridge of Spies 12:25

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Spielberg has kinda lost his mojo in the last decade, but I think he made two good ones early on in the 2010's: Lincoln(with DDL's towering performance and a delightful emphasis on political bribery and corruption -- it AIN'T new) and this one, which uses Tom Hanks better than Asteroid City does!

I like how Hanks goes on his negotiation mission behind the iron curtain and ends up with a head cold for the whole trip(thugs steal his overcoat and its snowing.) And I love how the movie takes a look at that "Torn Curtain" world and realizes(as I do): hey, its an INTERESTING world and it doesn't have enough movies made about it.
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Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971) 14:30

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Hey, Wes kinda LOOKS like Willie Wonka, and his movies are like those that Wonka might make.

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Witness (calls it 'perfect' has good story) 16:32

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It was the 80s and Harrison Ford was out to break out as a star WITHOUT Star Wars and Indy. As I recall, Blade Runner underperformed and Ford seemed brusque in it -- with a butch haircut that didn't flatter him. But in THIS one, it was present day, he looked great, his hair looked great, and the fish out of water premise was great(a tough cop among the Amish.) He played romantic hero well. Those were the days for Harrison Ford. This year? Not so much.

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Wes Anderson also used a different unknown song called "Freight Train" in Asteroid City, I've learned. But that "Last Train to San Fernando" is just wacky and sets the mood just right.

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I have since looked "Freight Train" up on YouTube and found a few classic videos of it -- one from 1958, I think, by a "British skiffle band"(?) -- with a cute woman named Nancy fronting it and singing it weirdly but beautifully(by weirdly I mean the timbre and rhythm of her voice -- makes it a novelty tune.)

A commenter notes: " With Hugh Laurie on washboard." Ha, looks just like him...just four decades two early.

Thus, between "Last Train to San Fernando" and "Freight Train," Asteroid City certainly creates its mood in a very visceral and offbeat manner. Congrats, Wes.

Related but not: I loved the desert location of the film. I thought it was CGI. No...they filmed in Spain(and built fake orange buttes and dragged them in.)

So ...all those stars went to SPAIN to play these miniscule parts. And I've read that Bill Murray even flew over to Spain to visit the set(these movie stars just continent-hop whenver they want to) and to film a special short fot the film -- given that COVID kept him out of a role.

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My companion flat out hated it, start to finish [and] I felt that Wes had really taken himself to the edge here -- a bunch of stars not really being well or memorably used, reduced in many parts to tiny cameos -- all in service of a movie that LOOKED great....but went...well NOT nowhere, but nowhere particularly interesting.

[A]t the end of the day, "Asteroid City' felt far removed from the actual humanity of the great Royal Tenenbaums.... and deep into its own nazel gazing and audience alienation.
I just saw Asteroid City and am a little dumbstruck by it actually. It's full of recognizable Andersonian types and techniques but this time all life has been drained away so that we're just left with acting exercise after acting exercise within a big production design exercise. This was pretty shocking and as you say it represents Anderson distilling some sort of extreme/edge-case of his basic approach and interests. It reminded me a little of the experience of seeing Woody Allen hit a wall with Shadows and Fog (1991). Woody Allen later made lots of jokes about S&F that are way better than anything in the film itself: “the filming of Shadows and Fog went off without a hitch except for the movie.” adding "It’s not a bad idea but you have to be in the mood for it, and marketing tests showed it did not appeal to homo sapiens." Asteroid City too is the sort of comprehensive failure that should see it become a turning point for Anderson. Allen rebounded with the lacerating, shot handheld Husbands and Wives (1992). Whether Anderson can change anything like that much, restrict himself away from all his technical affectations and ornamentations remains to be seen.

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I just saw Asteroid City and am a little dumbstruck by it actually. It's full of recognizable Andersonian types and techniques but this time all life has been drained away so that we're just left with acting exercise after acting exercise within a big production design exercise.

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That's a perfect description, to me. The movie is removing itself from my memory almost entirely but I have one IRRITATING shot/scene that has stuck with me:

Scarlett Johannessen lying in her bathtub PRETENDING to be a suicide(for the play WITHIN the TV play ...she is playing an actress) from the POV across the way of Jason Schwartzman. It is all so pretentious and jokey at the same time that I thought: "Come ON." Wes Anderson hit some sort of self parody peak in this shot. You could transfer the shot directly to an SNL parody and not miss a beat.

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This was pretty shocking and as you say it represents Anderson distilling some sort of extreme/edge-case of his basic approach and interests.

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Pushing himself to a limit and asking us to indulge him.

But then it seems that every auteur hits that speedbump -- for The Coens, it was The Ladykillers(ALSO starring Tom Hanks.) But I'm subjective on that, the critics hated it, I LOVED it, and I know exactly why (the CGI shots of bodies falling off the bridge to the garbage scow below; ALL of the CGI/matte shots of the bridge and the eagle statue upon it, the river, the scows, the "garbage island" -- HItchcockian visuals to the max.

But I digress. Though not entirely, because Asteroid City ALSO impressed me with its VISUALS - the sheer look of the desert-set piece -- the sky was a color blue of a very specific hue, and easy on the eyes.

And those two spiffy "train songs."

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It reminded me a little of the experience of seeing Woody Allen hit a wall with Shadows and Fog (1991). Woody Allen later made lots of jokes about S&F that are way better than anything in the film itself: “the filming of Shadows and Fog went off without a hitch except for the movie.” adding "It’s not a bad idea but you have to be in the mood for it, and marketing tests showed it did not appeal to homo sapiens."

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HA. I didn't read those Woody comments on his own work. Funny indeed. Its rare that an artist criticizes their own work -- it has to be later and after a success. After Frenzy hit big, HItchcock could say of the movie ahead of it (Topaz): "I didn't care for Topaz at all." Hey, I cared for it. Don't be so hard on yourselves, guys.

I remembrer nothing of Shadows and Fog except it was in black and white and I laughed very hard at Woody's payoff line when some old man pointed down a dark, foggy alley and warned him(paraphrased):

Old Man: Look, down that alley in the fog -- waiting for us -- a psychotic killer with a knife.
Woody: What am I supposed to do...weep?

I dunno. I just loved that payoff.

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I would hope so. It had been opening numbers in two cities -- NYC and LA -- but I think it is long gone now, lost in the hype of "Barbieheimer." (Ha...what a great throwback to the days when we had MANY summer movie choices.)

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Allen rebounded with the lacerating, shot handheld Husbands and Wives (1992). Whether Anderson can change anything like that much, restrict himself away from all his technical affectations and ornamentations remains to be seen.

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Not sure --"Husbands and Wives" was somewhat from Woody's personal, angry heart -- Anderson has to convince us that he's GOT a heart. He clearly had one visible in "Rushmore," "Tennebaums" and (on recent re-viewing) "Grand Budapest Hotel."

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Anderson has to convince us that he's GOT a heart. He clearly had one visible in "Rushmore," "Tennebaums" and (on recent re-viewing) "Grand Budapest Hotel."
Yeah, Rushmore isn't a million miles away from Harold and Maude and was an all-round delight (and Bottle Rocket also felt like something cheap but good from the '70s). The other two movies you mention still have enough connections to reality to make all the over-design and aggressive whimsicality bearable and even charming. I also liked Fantastic Mr Fox, The Life Aquatic, and Moonrise Kingdom quite a lot. It's after Grand Budapest that for me, Anderson's become decadent or taken leave of his senses: all of Isles of Dogs, French Dispatch, and Asteroid City feel wafer thin to me, to lack a real reason to exist.

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OK, Asteroid City benefits from a revisit. I've been able to find copies online to rewatch all the black and white sequences and just sort of de-bewilder myself. Subtitle files for the film are also floating around online so, effectively I've also been able read and reread the script at some leisure. The ideal viewer of AC is someone who's knows and loves loves all the myth-making around the Method and the Actor's Studio and Kazan and Tennessee Williams, and also an early TV nerd who loves the live and near live TV of Studio One and that whole generation of TV shows that the Lumet/Frankenheimer generation of directors trained in.

All of that's not quite me (although, like other readers of this board, I'm closer than most people - I've at least *heard* of all this stuff, know *some* of it quite well, and got a bit of a dose of it all recently in that Newman Woodward project from Ethan Hawke). Anyway, it's madness to make movies for general release with such large ideal prerequisites. (Cont'd)

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How does all this bear on the question of AC having any 'heart" (vs just being a set of exercises or formal games)? Well, I can report that if you watch the black-and-white bits of AC by themselves then (a) the non-chronological structure of the b/w bits emerges more clearly and (b) the encounter with Margot Robbie's character - flagged for this purpose by Augies's actor greeting her with 'Oh. It's you, the wife who played my actress.' - hits harder as the several layers of in-the-fiction deep heart of the movie. She's a character we've had before in Wes-world: she's the departed/idealized Rachel Tenenbaum whom Chaz (Ben Stiller) mourns for the whole of The Royal Tenenbaums.

From there we move directly to learning about the playwright's automobile accident death six months into the run of the fictional play, followed by a final rewind (with a difference!) to the big behind the scenes scene where the playwright solicits input and improvisation from the students of the acting school about how to finish his play. Now though the students don't method-out 'sleeping in a million different ways', rather they all stand one by one and shout 'You can't wake upif you don't fall asleep'. This cry is then picked up by everyone including both the playwright and the narrator from the Studio One broadcast (Cranston) and even Alien actor. This chants tells us that all the heart you're ever going to get is a construction several layers down in fiction as we've seen with Margot Robbie recounting a cut scene from the play, and as we'll see again when we go back to the inner color play for the Epilogue where Augie's wife's ashes are left buried in the sand.

The film works a lot better when you pull apart its pieces. As assembled into the final film, however, the experience is genuinely unpleasant because every level of the piece undercuts your ability to take the other levels seriously so you don't. Pulled apart the thing inflates, assembled it flops. A genuinely weird disaster.

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The film works a lot better when you pull apart its pieces. As assembled into the final film, however, the experience is genuinely unpleasant because every level of the piece undercuts your ability to take the other levels seriously so you don't. Pulled apart the thing inflates, assembled it flops. A genuinely weird disaster.

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Well, that and everything before it is a GREAT analysis, and enough, I think, to keep Wes Anderson's "auteur genius" (or semi-genius) credentials in order.

Recall that I said I want to see Asteroid City again. I felt some of what was being said was, indeed, beyond me. I could make out the "pieces"(the actors talking to the playwright and the director and one key actress in the black and white scenes, for instance), but I didn't have the full grasp.

I also revealed that I had a companion who hated it. I've had different companions over the years, and sometimes they go for art, sometimes not. A person complaining right next to you can "dampen the tone." I should see the movie alone next time, or with a different companion. Hah.

I'll give the movie another go. Your analysis alone helps, swanstep...

PS. I myself DO: have an affection for 50s TV dramas and the whole Tenneessee Williams period(all those MOVIES made from his works from the 40s into the 70s). Marnie sometimes played as a mix of Tennessee Wiliams and Douglas Sirk.

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