Some Poor Script Writing


The book is much better than the film. Ok, I wouldn't expect the writers to be business experts, but two of the scenes are almost comical and the incredulity.

The first is when Paul Newman (Alfred Eaton, character) is offered a job in this prestigious investment banking firm by the venerable CEO (James McHardie, character). The job offer is made while they are playing pool in McHardie's house. In a 40-year career as a partner and analyst in management consulting, I've never heard of a job offer made in such an environment. It is simply non-professional.

The second involves the promotion of Paul Newman to Partner in McHardie & Company. The first weird aspect of the scene is that Newman (Alfred Eaton, character) seems to be totally surprised by the promotion. The second is the environment is which the promotion is presented- with Newman's wife (Joanne Woodward) present with the other partners. Again, this is not the way things are done in business. The candidate would always know that he is being seriously considered for promotion to partner. To bring the candidate's wife to the meeting where the promotion is given is ludicrous. Such an event is not a family event. It is a serious business event.

Newman was a great actor and could play a wide range of roles. Playing a business executive or investment banking partner was apparently not one of them. Finally, the end of the film, where he decides to end his career by throwing his briefcase up in then air while going off with his new young wife seemed childish.

Read the book instead. A John O'Hara masterpiece. The movie was disappointing. Especially since Newman did well as a lawyer in "The Young Philadelphians."

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First, I disagree that the book is better. It's certainly a lot longer but not better. I think it's one of O'Hara's worst novels.

Second, Alfed Eaton does know that he is being considered for a full partnership because his boss tells him so when advising him not to divorce his wife.

Thirdly, this film is not about your business experiences! It's about fictional characters. The fact that you have no personal experience of some of the details of this movie is irrelevant to most of us.

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I think the book is one of O'Hara's best novels. I think it is one of Newman's worst films.

You may have a point on your no. 2.

There is no need for you to make a personal attack in your third item. You seem very angry.

How can you speak for "most of us"? There are probably hundreds of people who have read these comments.

Sorry for any and all typos.

You do seem rather emotional!

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I have not read the book. I can't comment on that. I did not like the movie. It was very ridiculous. Paul Newman was very good in a lot of other movies. In this one not so much. I though the end was like something they would have in Romantic Comedy. I agree with you.

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I could be wrong, but I don't recall any other films in which Newman played a businessman or a banker. I don't think it's his kind of role.

My field is management consulting, which is not the same as, but has many similarities to, investment banking, the type of business in which Newman is cast in this movie. I just could nor relate to the dialogue or the events based on my experience. John O'Hara, in his novel, got it right. The scripting for the film just wasn't on target. Although the character in the novel, Alfred Eaton, was taller than Paul Nemwan, in many other ways, Newman's looks and personality would seem to fit the role fairly well. Whether it was the poor script or Newman's acting that didn't work I don't know. Perhaps it was a combination of both. This, of course, is just my perspective. Everyone brings their own background to their review of a film.

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Real business is about as exciting as watching paint dry. Movies have to tart it up to make it dramatically interesting.

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You have a point. They didn't do a very good job of making it interesting, though.

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Hmmm....

I worked for IBM for 30 years. It was always interesting as I had many different job assignments and 4 basic career tracks - started out at 19 years old in clerical work in "administration" in a St. Louis Branch Office, then went to a "Regional Staff" competitive analysis job in Atlanta. Then 2 years as an Admin Manager in Mobile, Al. Then back to Atlanta and the Regional Office as a "Financial Analyst" and finally back to an Atlanta Branch Office as a Systems Engineer - which morphed into "IT Interoperability Specialist".

Did you know fist fights occur among office workers more than any other work location? ;-)

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manage-932-700755 says > The job offer is made while they are playing pool in McHardie's house. In a 40-year career as a partner and analyst in management consulting, I've never heard of a job offer made in such an environment. It is simply non-professional.
You've got to be kidding! Given your background, I'm surprised you think this is unrealistic. Speaking from experience I know it happens because it's happened to me; more than once and at completely different companies. I wasn't playing pool but I don't think that was the point.

The candidate would always know that he is being seriously considered for promotion to partner. To bring the candidate's wife to the meeting where the promotion is given is ludicrous. Such an event is not a family event. It is a serious business event.
Alfred was aware he was up for promotion, as did others. It's one of the reasons Creighton, who also wanted to make partner, was trying to blackmail him. Given the importance MacHardie placed on family and commitment and the fact his business relationship with Alfred started on a personal note, it's not surprising he would have asked her to be there. Besides, as we saw with the Benzingers, it was not uncommon for business and family life to overlap.


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Thank you for your comments. We may not agree, but I appreciate your taking the time to review my points.

It’s been a while since I watched this film, but I do remember it, possibly because I've read the book numerous times. If you have been offered professional jobs similar to that of investment banking analyst in the business owner's home or in a recreational setting, good for you. It just seems strange to me.

On your second point, I confess I just don't remember that aspect of the film that well. Perhaps it was plausible to have Alfred's wife at his promotion announcement. It does make for more interesting viewing than the more traditional setting of the book. In fact, in the book it is simply stated he was made partner, which had been expected, and one assumes, or at least I assumed, that it was done the traditional way of the senior partner or all of the partners calling Alfred in to his office or the board or conference room at work and informing him. But it is more interesting to have Alfred's beautiful blonde wife present than to have just a bunch of staid business types there.

Perhaps I am being too harsh on the movie. The book was so good, and that combined with my own experience in business, may have made me too critical. If you liked this film, and in particular Newman's performance, may I suggest you watch "The Young Philadelphians." This is also a film based on a fine book, but in my judgment, is better and more realistic.

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Two other movies from that era treat of success in business and how being an illegitimate son of a female dog seems to help (I was almost going to say gives you a leg up, but decided against it.): Man in the Gray Flannel Suit and Patterns. In Gray Flannel Suit, Gregory Peck sees the price Frederic March paid for success and rejects it. In Patterns, a sequel would show Van Heflin drinking too much Scotch and fighting with his wife every night.

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I am missing your point about an "an illegitimate son of a female dog." I don't understand your strange reference. What is this female dog?

I thought "Gray Flannell Suit" was excellent, and Peck, March and the other stars were perfectly cast. I did not see "Patterns."

In the John O'Hara novel of "From the Terrace", Alfred Eaton is a victim of overwork and his own driving and people-insensitive personality. It wasn't really the "success in business" theme that he film tried to present.

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Patterns is available on youtube. Highly recommended.

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The late Mark McCormack (FORBES 400 member) said in one of his books that negotiating "across a desk" is one of the worst places to negotiate and that he made some of his biggest business deals "on the golf course." But this was McCormack dealing with other billionaires and not potential employees, which may make the difference?

To digress: Nevile Shute's book Slide Rule: Autobiography of an Engineer includes his airplane-company-start-up experiences, that this movie reminded me of. (Shute wrote the novel ON THE BEACH that later became the movie starring Ava Gardner and Gregory Peck.)

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