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Where Did This Nazi Pop Up From?


After the UN votes for partition, John Derek's character is visited by a stereotypically evil Nazi, named von Storch, who assures him that he will finance and train the Arab nationalists to drive the Jews out of Palestine.

In 1947, Germany was in ruins and was occupied by the former Allied powers. No post-Nazi German nation existed until 1949. As far as I know, there were no National Socialists left with the money or power to try to continue their anti-Semitic agenda. Therefore, I'm wondering why this character appears. (I don't know if he is in the original Leon Uris novel, or whether he was added to the movie version.)

Im Arme der Götter wuchs ich groß.--Friedrich Hölderlin

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I wondered where that guy came from, too. Lots of Nazis escaped at the end of the war, some with lots of money. But they were mostly wise enough not to organize and try any monkey business like that.

I imagine the story could go that the guy escaped from Germany, and went to Palestine to ... who knows. Also it's possible that he was written into the story to associate Arab/Palestinian nationalism and opposition to Israel and partition, with the Nazis. Which would be an unacceptable conspiracy theory tossed into a movie that presents itself as "based on true events".

That guy was a very unsettling presence in the movie, and definitely some explaining is in order, because of what it implies -- that Arab opposition to Israel was instigated by former Nazis.

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Has anyone reading this read Leon Uris's novel? And, if so, can you tell us whether this Nazi character is fleshed out any more than he is in the movie?

Normally, I'd just read the book myself to find out, but I get the impression that novel "Exodus" is to the foundation of Israel what "Gone With the Wind" is to the American Civil War; i.e., a literary soap opera set against the background of a real historical event. Is this, or is this not, a fair assumption?

Im Arme der Götter wuchs ich groß.--Friedrich Hölderlin

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I did read Leon Uris's novel, Exodus, but I don't remember that specific Nazi character in question, at all.

I read the book Exodus, which I liked better than the movie, because everything about it, including the characters, etc., were far more developed than in the movie.

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yeah, I agree with both liking the novel better and not remembering the Nazi character from it at all.

for the person last year who wondered about Exodus being the GWTW of the Middle East: the book is well worth the read, if you're at all interested in the Russian background of the Jewish people, about which the book goes into detail.

the film definitely has a point of view, and I don't suppose a strongly pro-Palestinian person would be too interested in it. but I think it's a critically important movie to see, because it tells us something pretty important things:

-it informs us that the land was actually NOT "owned by the Arabs and stolen by the Jews." it was a lot more complicated than that, but at base, "Palestine" was actually a possession of the British at that time
-it shows us that some Arabs didn't want endless war, and welcomed the new immigrants
-it reminds us that the Jews have a history with the land that started thousands of years before there ever was such a thing as "Islam"

and it's a pretty entertaining movie!

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I read the novel more than a few times. I think the Nazi was inserted in the movie to add to the hate. TO make a point of why the refugees were so desperate.

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I did read Leon Uris's novel, Exodus, but I don't remember that specific Nazi character in question, at all.

I read the book Exodus, which I liked better than the movie, because everything about it, including the characters, etc., were far more developed than in the movie.


Same here. I don't remember the Nazi character from the book at all.

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Here's a start:

http://web.archive.org/web/20140213045138/http://www.wymaninstitute.or g/articles/2003-04-syria.php

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Thank you for the link to the article. It provides a lot of historical perspective and suddenly makes the Nazi character in the film much more plausible.

Im Arme der Götter wuchs ich groß.--Friedrich Hölderlin

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Here's a start:

http://web.archive.org/web/20140213045138/http://www.wymaninstitute.or g/articles/2003-04-syria.php


Thank you for posting this.

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Here's an excerpt in case the link goes dead again:

At the end of World War II, thousands of Nazi war criminals found refuge in South America and in Arab countries, including Syria. Damascus welcomed Nazis partly out of ideological sympathy for the Hitler regime, and partly because the German fugitives were useful allies in Syria's war to prevent the creation of the State of Israel in 1948.

Israeli military intelligence reports during that first Arab-Israeli war were filled with references to the presence of Nazis, especially as commanding officers, among the Syrian forces attacking northern Israel. Indeed, there were so many Germans in the Syrian ranks that when the Haganah (the Labor Zionist militia that became the Israeli Army) defeated the Arab forces in Haifa in April 1948, its official terms for a truce included a provision that "European Nazis will be delivered to [the British] Military [authorities]."

During the 1950s and 1960s, the names of prominent Nazis living in Syria began to surface. One was SS Captain Theodor Dannecker, who had helped Adolf Eichmann implement Hitler's genocide policy in France, Bulgaria, and Hungary. When the legendary Israeli spy Eli Cohen took up residence in Damascus in 1962, his Syrian acquaintances introduced him to Karl Rademacher, a senior Eichmann aide who had been involved in the mass murder of Jews from Belgium, Holland, Croatia, and elsewhere. After the war, Radmacher had fled to Syria and became an official in the Syrian Secret Service.

The most notorious of the Nazis granted asylum in Syria was another top Eichmann aide, SS Lieutenant Alois Brunner. After being convicted in France in 1954 of responsibility for the murders of more than 100,000 Jews, Brunner disappeared. Two decades later, the famed French Nazi-hunters Serge and Beate Klarsfeld tracked down Brunner in Damascus, where he was making a comfortable living as an adviser to the Syrian intelligence services.

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Other things to keep in mind, and mentioned by the Nazi in the film, is that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem spent 1941 to 45 in Berlin, at least partly in the company of Hitler. He helped organize Muslim SS units, so not passively but deeply involved in the atrocities.

Aside from the above except showing that ex-Nazis were in the area, it seems eminently plausible some true believers would continue their quest to murder the rest of the Jews. Recent research really pushes home that this really was a (crazy) tenet of the faith, a worldwide extermination, not just a convenient political excuse for nationalism that got out of hand.

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As anti-Arab and anti-Muslim as this movie is, the book is supposedly worse.

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I see one of the IMDb anti-Semites made it here.

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I don't care about any of them, so too bad for your attempt at a "comeback." The Middle East is the most Godless place on Earth, which makes it being "The Holy Land" wholly ironic.

By the way, why don't you actually look up what it means to be "Semitic." It isn't what you think it is.

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I said anti-Semitic, look it up! Muslims seem to worship Satan. Libtardia is the most godless place.

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Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? :-)

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Neither the book nor the movie were anti-Arab or anti-Muslim.

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