William Travis


It seems Grant's script really portrays Travis as being a genuine a**hole, lying to his men and being overly concerned about his own authority. I know of no historical evidence to suggest this. He was a lawyer and well-educated, and it's believed there was contention between him and Bowie, but my understanding is, it was Travis who originally captured San Antonio and the Alamo, not Bowie, and his eloquent letters to the United States probably did more to foster support for the cause than any other single factor. If the Texas Revolution can be compared to 1776, then William Barret Travis must surely be its Thomas Jefferson. Let's give credit where it's due, eh, Hollywoodland?

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Travis was a lawyer, but not a very good one.

He ran out on his wife and children in South Carolina, and Louisianna

He was pretty much destitute when the war started and talked his way into his commision

It was Bowie that captured the Alamo and San Antonio de Bexar when Travis fouled up his assault and almost lost.

William Barrett Travis was an opritunist (sic) Not a hero



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I'm not a partiocular admirer of Travis, foster, but I would suggest you read William C. Davis' THREE ROADS TO THE ALAMO, a triune biography of Bowie, Travis and Crockett for a more positive view of Travis than we've previously gotten.

The one point where I think you're dead wrong is saying that Bowie captured the Alamo and San Antonio. Bowie was involved in the fighting around San Antonio, but it was Ben Milam and, as I recall, Edward Burleson, who commanded the rebel forces in the storming of San Antonio. I'm not sure anyone really "captured" the Alamo except that General Cos, who was bottled up there with his remaining soldados after the town fell, surrendered to the rebels.

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If you watch the long version (original), Travis tells Dickenson that he is better than the rest of the men.

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Some historian once wrote that he felt Travis' image has been forever (and, he thought, unfairly) tarnished by the Laurence Harvey version in the Wayneamo.

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He doesn't even get to do the "line in the sand" bit in this version... sad.

On the other hand, despite his Brit accent, I thought Harvey's portrayal was interesting because he looks very much like the historical Travis. At least this film got that right about the character.

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edjavega: Why do you think Laurence Harvey looked like Travis? The last I heard, there was no contemporary portrait of Travis (at least none that survived) and the only thing like a portrait was a sort of crudely-done cartoonish pencil sketch which doesn't look much like Laurence Harvey to me. Has a hitherto-undiscovered likeness of Tarvis surfaced recently?

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Saw a picture in which he looked a bit like Bowie.

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Wayne took painstaking methods to find as close to accurate historical facts as he could before his version was ever made. He once gave an interview where he said the writer read many survivor accounts and letters from the Alamo to write his script as close to fact as he could. There is no way to know for sure what actually went on inside those walls for that two weeks in 1836, but not one survivor ever saw nor is it ever mentioned in any letter that the line in the dirt really took place. The story began as a way to booster the battle cry 'Remember the Alamo!' just as the idea that Crockett was the last man alive and fought to his death.

The portrayal of Travis in most versions treat him as a very by the book commander who did what was necessary to keep his command together. Yes, he probably did lie but only until he knew no help would arrive and then he let the volunteers choose for themselves. That was the honorable thing to do and he did it. He most probably was an a**hole, but have you ever seen a commander that wasn't?

As for Crockett, many survivor reports say he was taken prisoner even though he fought strong till captured. The most recent version with Billy Bob portraying Crockett probably best shows how he died for real.

It is said that letters written and sent by Travis before the end did tell of an unsettled squabble between he and Bowie but the reason was not told. Whether they resolved the issue before the final battle will never be known.

Another lesser known film about the Alamo was the Republic Pictures film The Last Command with Sterling Hayden who played Bowie. In that version Travis is portrayed a little more subtle but still some what by the book. In that version Crockett blows himself up just as Wayne's Crockett did in his version. But the battle scenes are very well made in that film also.

Of all portrayals of Crockett, I think Billy Bob's is probably the most human and believable. Most people want Davey Crockett to be bigger than life as his legend was, but he was just a man who found himself in the wrong place at the right time to become that legend and a hero to generation after generation. I have to admit, as a boy I had my coonskin cap and my leather buckskin after becoming a Crockett follower from watching the Disney series about him. Yes, I was a Crockett groupie!


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I can never understand why Laurence Harvey was chosen for this part whilst I like his work verry much I believe Grgory Peck might have been a much better choice

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Maybe a young Peck. Peck was already middle-aged by the time the movie came out. I'm not sure how old Harvey was, but for all his arrogance he managed to convey youthful inexperience in handling more experienced fighting men. Also, in the briefing scene at the beginning, Col. Neil refers to "Young Travis here . . . " Peck (who was one of those guys who always looked mature for his years) wouldn't have come across as "Young Travis here . . . " Although traditionally in movies Travis is played by guys who look older than the real Travis probably did. I guess Alec Baldwin in the otherwise awful THIRTEEN DAYS TO GLORY was the closest in age to the actual Travus.

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The modest, made-for-TV **Thirteen Days to Glory** had many good aspects. I wrote a review in the Comments section. Alec Baldwin's rather fawning portrayal of Travis wasn't one of them, though he was of appropriate age to play the late-twenties co-commander.

Laurence Harvey was assuredly NOT miscast in this production. It was a risky move for Wayne to choose this youngish and almost entirely unknown British actor but it was the right one. Tall, slim clothes-horse Harvey looked great in his uniform, moved well and had great diction. His service in the British Army didn't hurt, either in playing a military officer, even a new-minted one. He played Travis as a spit-and-polish martinet--the polar opposite of hard-drinking brawler Jim Bowie--which was what the script and John Wayne's direction demanded.

The other fine portrayal was Richard Boone's Sam Houston. In all his movie and tv work, Boone never seemed to be acting. He inhabited this small part with both naturalness and great force, as is suitable for a giant figure in American history.



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I think Harvey's portrayal of Travis was one dimentional... in the shortened version. Upon seeing the complete directors cut of the Alamo, I felt he put in an Academy Award winning performance.


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Intriguing.

Shootist, where can i find this Director's Cut?



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It is on eBay It is on VHS and will say directers cut. It was also released on Laser Disc as a directors cut.
Both are priced reasonably

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Agreed, Laurence Harvey was very good. Wayne wanted Clark Gable for the role, that would have been a bigger misfire than Gregory Peck. In my opinion though, Charlton Heston would have made a better Bowie than Richard Widmark.

And I did like 13 Days to Glory for what it was. Unfortunately, Brian Keith looked about as much like Davy Crockett as John Wayne did, and Jim Bowie would have been thirty-nine or forty whereas James Arness was in his sixties.

Does anyone know how tall Bowie was? Between 5`6 Alan Ladd and 6`7 James Arness, a person gets curious.

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I have read in a desk encyclopedia that Jim Bowie was a "large, fair, outwardly peaceable" man but physical descriptions and painted portraits vary widely. Also varying is the reason Bowie was confined to his bed when the fort was overrun: had a fever, broke a hip after a drunken fall from a parapet, etc.
That same volume stated that the defenders of the Alamo "perished to a man, earning themselves a place in history which time has not diminished.".



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Whatever anyone's historical opinion of Colonel Will Travis, his name will forever be entwined with Texas and The Alamo.

As for Duke Wayne's THE ALAMO(1960), it has been recorded that he was originally interested in being a guest star in his own production epic as Gen. Sam Houston. The Duke wanted to put his full concentration as the film's director rather than starring in it. He initially wanted Clark Gable to play Davy Crockett but then changed his mind. He then sought Charlton Heston or Richard Widmark as Crockett. Wayne then settled upon Clark Gable as Col. Travis; Heston as Crockett; Widmark as Bowie.

Gable and Heston declined because they really didn't want to be directed by the Duke, but rather John Ford or Howard Hawks. Gable further declined because he felt he was a little too old for the part. Also, the financiers for THE ALAMO wouldn't finance the project unless John Wayne played one of the three main leads.

I think John Wayne should have cast Robert Taylor as Col. Will Travis and Robert Mitchum or Stewart Granger as Col. James Bowie. Granger was effective in film director Richard Brooks' Western THE LAST HUNT(1956). Even though Robert Taylor would have technically been too old for the part, he still would have been excellent in the role. Taylor was a much, much underrated actor who had tremendous screen presence as evident in his films QUO VADIS(1951); ROGUE COP(1954); THE LAST HUNT(1956), etc.

If there ever was a more nationalistic Hollywood Republican than Duke Wayne, it was Bob Taylor. They were actually friends in real life. Taylor would have been a true peer to Wayne if he had been cast as Col. Travis, alongside Wayne's Crockett.

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While it's true that the Duke didn't want to act in this film but to his full energy to directing, as this was a labor of love to the Duke

it was more the studios, that put up alot of the money with Duke who mandated that Duke also star in it

Their reasoning:

The Duke was not really a tested director, although he did alot of second unit stuff with Ford, and knew the job.

Of all the Actors available, the Duke was the most popular by far. Simple as that, the duke could put asses in the seats.







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Travis pushing 30, Bowie 40 Crockett 50 at the Alamo. Actors' ages not too far out.

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