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Helen Jorgenson was a horrid woman


Makes one wonder what kind of childhood SHE had....she hated sex, she hated life and she was a bigot.

What a sad creature she was.

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Her OWN mother was a hateful thing, too.

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Ummm....she didn't have a childhood. She was a fictional character!

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We're aware that she was fictional, we are referring to her character backstory - of course, we'll never know but if her own mother was any indication - like mother like daughter certainly applies in this case - good thing Molly took after her dad!

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<< we are referring to her character's backstory >>

In the book, Helen's mother has a larger role. She's a neurotic, prudish,domineering, judgmental clean freak who's terrified of germs. She has a henpecked husband, and they move in with Sylvia and Molly after the divorce.

Basically, she's like Helen, but WORSE.

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She finally gets sick and dies after she falls off a ladder vacuuming dust off some high woodwork, which she's frantically over-cleaning because guests are expected (!) It's actually a very funny scene (or at least I thought so!)

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Wait, do you mean Helen's mother? Sylvia was the nice mom of Johnnie right?

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Wait, do you mean Helen's mother? Sylvia was the nice mom of Johnnie right?

Yes, you're right. Sorry....I corrected that.


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Serves her right! (Helen's Mom)

From the beginning, when Helen was being so nasty to her husband and to Molly, I thought she was a horrid bitch.

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Movie girl: It is a little confusing. Helen's mom was the conservative mother Margaret who instilled snobbery, dislike of sex and love even within marriage ties. This is not made clear in the film and even scenes = important ones with
Helen interacting insensitively with her daughter Molly is left out. But I recall the film on TV in the 70's. We see some of it in the film today but not all.

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your'e an idiot!

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To be honest, I was never able to understand why Ken couldn't find a more loving wife? Helen cannot have been the only woman he met after Sylvia!
I read the (wonderful) novel, but it doesn't explain it either.

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He married her after seeing "Sylvia's wedding in the newspaper. He never got over Sylvia, he was lonely and "Helen" was there. (worse luck for Ken) what a cold frustrated repressed woman she was, lucky "Molly" didn't take after her.

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Frankly, I think she was a lesbian.

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Yea, I got that vibe too. It makes the character make since in the conservative 1950s.

I wonder if that is what the actress was thinking that about her character too.

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Yep she was mean ice cube city! Poor Molly, even after slapping her, I hoping she would at least apologize to her daughter. Even her mother thought it was dumb she didn't have sex with her husband.

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Well, Connie Ford was a lesbian, so it wasn't much of a stretch to act like one.

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She was? How do you know?

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Maybe not, cause it never, ever crossed my mind. And I usually get that vibe from characters, if there's a vibe there to get.

Please excuse typos/funny wording; I use speech-recognition that doesn't always recognize!

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A great performance, too bad she never got an Oscar for this, deserved it.

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Movie girl: Helen is even worse that we think when watching the film today. The scenes are missing from the film sadly where John and Molly's boat capsized and they are out all night. While Ken is away, Helen humiliates Molly by calling in a doctor to examine her. THe terrified and emotionally damaged Molly comes to hate her mother who would not listen to her that nothing happened during the night.

It is too bad that we have a limited view of Mrs. J. because of the cut in the film. I first saw it in the 70's when I was a teen. Years later when we got a VCR I taped it and looked forward to watching. The scene about the boat and the resultant terror and pain Molly is subjected to is integral to the film. Helen was even worse than she was portrayed originally - she hated sex, life and was bigoted!

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Movie girl: I just found a copy of the book in an old bookstore and really enjoyed reading it. Within we find that some of Helen's attitudes stem from her stilted and stunted upbringing. Her parents (especially her mother Margaret) dictate all of her friends suitability and she is brought up in the well-to- do environment feeling lonely and confused. She bonds with her mother and later emulates her attitudes. OF course her parents disapprove of Ken, but she is strangely drawn to him. Sadly, she shuns sex and love in the marriage and expects her daughter Molly to follow suit one day.

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