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All the symbolic meaning


Williams uses a lot of symbolic ideas in this play as he does in all his plays which is kind of his trade mark. I was wondering what everyones interpretations of the meanings are.

God- the sea turtles and the birds swooping to attack possibly suggesting that god is nature and nature is cruel therefore God can be cruel as well as kind. Likewise Sebastian is cruel and uses people but he does save catherine from her misery and is what she thinks a good companion.

The summer and its characteristics; the sea, the hot white sand, the sky etc

What are your views??

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"Nature red in tooth and claw" seems to be both Violet's and Sebastian's view of a god without compassion. The ending is foreshadowed in the Venus flytrap scene (the flesh-eating plant, which has to be satisfied), the birds of prey attacking and devouring the turtles as they desperately race to the sea, Violet's almost proudly flaunting her quasi-incestuous relationship with her son as both being users, of each other and others. Their idea of human relationships is to use people until they wear out their usefulness, then discard them like old shoes. Sebastian uses both his mother and Cathy as procurers, which he has no compunction about, because that, to him, is the natual order of things -- to use or be used. As Violet says, "His life is his work and vice versa" -- Sebastian expresses no objection to the violence in the natural and/or human world. Rather, he simply accepts it, produces one poem per summer (except for the last), and lives his "principles" (if you can call them that), thus expressing and exemplifying the "natural order" without judging or protesting it until HE becomes the sacrifice on the temple ruins, with the young boys appropriately making those "horrible gobbling noises" (shrieks Cathy) reminiscent of the birds of prey that ate the turtles. Sebastian has become part of the inexorable food chain -- the law of Karma is satisfied ("what goes around, comes around" or something like that).

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The ending is foreshadowed in the Venus flytrap scene

Oh yes that too - and it opens a new interpretation: the mob, or the graceless nature, or the vicious god, luring Sebastien in (while letting him think that he was the seducer), only to close up on him and devour him...

Words, Mr. Sullivan, are precious things. And they are not to be tempered with!

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on 1 level the sea turtle and the birds made me think of how playwrights like Williams feel when they get a bad review. they 'hatch' out a new play, then here come the critics to rip it apart. the playwright pretends not to care about critics, or the readers (symbolized by the poor tribesmen), and maybe doesn't care half the time. but in
the end the self-agrandizing playwright is 'killed' by the poor (not talented) tribesmen.
the movie came across as a self-pitying poor me, i'm attacked by critics who aren't as talented as i am whine fest of Tennesse Williams.
i liked the movie, however, and thought Elizabeth Taylor and Katherine Hepburn did a great job delivering the overwrought dialogue. Their performances make the movie for me.


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One thing about the sea turtles is that it allows Violet to say that Sebastian saw the face of God, and that it was hideous and cruel. This later segues into Catherine saying that Sebastian saw something hideous .... inside himself. Well, at the time Catherine says that we have no idea what she means, but of course by the end of the film we know that Sebastian/Catherine meant his homosexuality, which Tennessee Williams viewed as hideous and evil.
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Seing that Williams himself was gay, I'm not so sure he actually considered homosexuality hideous and evil, I think he rather called it by what straight people (homofobics) would call it.

Anyways... I don't know if thing is part of the play, but there's a moment in the film I find interessting, and that is the dramatic skeletonstatue (a statue of Death?) often shown in the middle of the picture when Hepburn and Clift talk to eachothers at the beginning of the film (in Hepburns garden). It perfectly fits the themes of their conversation.

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You need to do a little research on Tennessee Williams and how he felt about his homosexuality.
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