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Was Jason in love with Quentin?


I finally caught the whole movie the other night (I usually miss parts when it's on TV). I'm confused by the relationship between these two. Seems like the movie hinted at a pretty strong semi-incestuous attraction. The movie made it pretty clear that Jason didn't try to have relationships as other men do at the time. I never read the book so I don't know if that was part of the original story. From what I understand from the movie, Jason had a sort of crush on Caddy when they were young and in bringing up Quentin, he tried to recreate Caddy to his vision and in the process, fell in love with her (Quentin). Sort of a Pygmalian theme. Is that right or was it wishful thinking?

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in the book, male quentin and caddy have a lot of sexual tension, quentin suggests that they were incestuous, but that is a lie he told and one of his fantasies. jason had little love for caddy, and hated her after her husband divorced her and he lost his job offer. he hated female quentin, stole about 50,000 dollars from her, tried to whip her, etc. there was zero love between them in the book. in the movie, i have no clue, i've never seen it.

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Thanks for the recap valinor! That explains all the negative reviews for the movie. It certainly sounds like a totally different Jason in the book than in the movie.

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I definitely think the casting of Yul Brynner in this movie with Joanne Woodward meant they had to twist the story to exploit a love angle. He was an exotic commodity at this time, and Hollywood tried to throw him into as many love scenes as possible. He had that remarkable capacity of eliciting seething emotions from even his most one-note co-stars; when you get a great actress, and someone as perfectly emblematic of a smart southern lass as Joanne Woodward was at this time--(i.e., THE LONG HOT SUMMER, etc.--also a Faulkner adaptation), then sparks really do fly. (And let's face it--Brynner was damn sexy! With or without hair!)

The book certainly sounds quite different (not having read it, i can't comment on this), and I do recall hearing that Faulkner was in general disgusted with Hollywood's adaptations of his (very racey for the time) books, including SOUND AND THE FURY, with the one exception being the EXCELLENT movie version of his book "Pylon"--THE TARNISHED ANGELS (1958), which he apparently quite liked. This movie plays occasionally on TCM, and is also on video (not DVD). ANGELS features a love quadrangle (!)--even more complicated than this one, though without all the unique supporting characters this one has. But if you liked this one, you might like TARNISHED ANGELS, too...

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To expand on what undertheyumyum has already said, the book is essentially about three brothers and their obsessions with their sister, Caddy. Because their mother, Caroline, has never been much of a mother figure, it is up to Caddy to take care of her brothers.

As an extremely mentally handicapped man, Benjy only absorbs what he sees/hears and cannot process the information's importance. Caddy is the closest to a mother figure that he has, as his own mother is often cruel and resentful of him. That being said, Benjy is very observant of Caddy and is the one who first realizes her promiscuity.

From birth, Jason is cruel, heartless, and unable to love his own family. Ironically, he is the only child that receives Caroline's love. Caddy was never forced to be any sort of mother figure for Jason, who doesn't seem to have ever needed one. His obsession with Caddy is cruel in nature, mostly stemming from a desire to get Caddy into trouble.

Without a doubt the most complex and brilliant character in the novel, Quentin battles several neuroses that prevent him from a life of action, instead living a life of obsession and deliberation. He is captivated by stories of his family's former glory, as well as accounts of traditional Southern gentleman and Southern belles. His obsession with Caddy is not sexual, although it can certainly be said that there is sexual tension between the two. As the closest female to him, Caddy becomes the object of Quentin's obsession with classiness and purity, which is why he is devasted at her promiscuity and haphazardly tries to fix the situation by incorporating himself.

I have never seen the movie, but based on its summary ("Jason and Miss Quentin are the only people with enough fire to bring back the family name"), I can only guess that the actual novel was butchered. The novel is the greatest work of literature that I have ever read--to date I have read it four times, and I highly suggest reading it instead of watching this half-ass excuse for a movie. I hope my extended summary helps!

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re--marmello

Save that both men lived in isolation, were needling, & all business, it is a TOTALLY different Jason. Get over it. In the FILM Jason and Quentin (Woodward) are not even blood related. The screen adaptation makes obvious that Jason has a fix on Quentin. He doesn't go with other women and, although cold & distant, is obsessively preoccupied with her life and future. In one scene young Quentin is having a conversation with her step uncle and becomes curious, probing to find out what makes him tick. When Quentin tells Jason that she couldn't imagine him ever being "in love" he tenses up & pointedly asks, "Can't you?" Quentin looks uncomfortable and turns way to avoid making further eye contact.

By the time Quentin was ready to make her move with the circus barker she had a pretty good idea what was going on with Jason. When she taunts him in the woods on the night he chases off her boyfriend, he responds by angrily kissing her and she reciprocates by holding on to him. Having made his point, it is Jason who pushes Quentin away and walks back to the house.

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Wrong. It is not one of his fantasies. Quentin lies about the incest to "purify" Caddy. His way of thinking is that if people in town accuse Caddy for doing something that she actually didn't do, then she would be redeemed for her promiscuity with Dalton Aimes.

Somebody like you can really make things all right for me.

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"Purify?" "Redeem?" What the hell are you people talking about?

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They're talking about the actual novel, which was butchered.

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In the original musical version by Jerry Herman, Jason not only has a sexual relationship with his sister Caddy but with both of his brothers, deranged Quentin and mentally challenged Benjy who votes Republican. I never read the Faulkner version but I'm sure it's inferior to both the movie, the play and the musical comedy. I'm especially fond of the tune "Tentin for Quentin" from the third act. And I cry every time I hear "Departed Retarded" sung by Benjy's mortician.

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Oh my god. There is a MUSICAL?? How did they expect to get away with that? (Having read the book, it sounds like it would be absolutely hilarious, though, I must say.) Of all the possibilities for musicals... The Sound and the Fury is not even on the list.

How can you say the Faulkner version is inferior? It's classic! Without it, there could not be any of the other versions. I personally will always prefer the novel if I had to choose, but I think, for the most part, the different mediums should be separated. I understand the movie will not be exactly like the book, etc, but I guess sometimes it's hard (especially when you like the book as much as I do).

The musical sounds interesting, though.

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I think so, but was Miss Quentin in love with him?

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