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why is marilyn still such an icon


why is marilyn still such an icon, was it the young age she died? her involvement with the president of the united states, the suspicious way she died, it was'nt her talent, there have been many actresses? with more talent, her looks she was very glamorous and the camera loved her, but she was no ava gardner, rita hayworth, sophia loren etc etc, but people won't be wearing tee shirts with there name on, not in mass anyway like marilyn, she made one or two good films, the best has to be some like it hot, i think she was a good comedic actress although it took 147 takes to say one word, it certainly was'nt her talent she was no cyd charisse, mitzi gaynor in the dancing field, she was no meryl streep in the acting dept, and she was no doris day or streisand in the singing dept, in fact she was dubbed, i guess that a lot of people just loved her?

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MM was hugely popular before she died, so her death did enhance her popularity but isn't the only reason. Those opinions you have about her are not accurate, IMO, and since many people love her acting and comedic talents and looks and singing and sweet sexuality, the answer to your question is more that you are underappreciating her, or if you want to insist your opinions are accurate, then many people are over-appreciating her. Have you seen The Seven Year Itch? It could show you how wonderful she is to a lot of us...


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I agree with you. She is not a good role model, but, sex sells and that's what she is. Her voluptuous figure and the way she used her mouth when she talks, ect.

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Marilyn did all of her own singing.Please check your facts.

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check your facts marni nixon sung for marilyn, if she sung the words it would have taken days to sing one line 300 takes

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Theduchess86, I hope you take the time to read this:

http://blog.everlasting-star.net/2011/05/music/when-marilyn-sings/

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Another moronic troll. Marilyn was radiant on screen.

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no one can have an opinion? shall i tell lies and say she was a better actress than bette davis and danced better than cyd charisse, just to please some idiot, i am entitled to my opinion i just did not reckon her, she had a limited talent,300 takes to say one word

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1. She defined 1950s glamour, and the camera loved her.

2. She may not have been the most talented of actresses, but she had loads of charm. Sometimes you need a serious actress or a talented singer or dancer; sometimes you just want someone to light up the screen. (And she could sing; I'd rather listen to her, or just about anyone else, than the overpraised singing of Streisand).

3. She passed away in the prime of life and at the height of her popularity, so
no one remembers her for sad appearances on game shows, Love Boat reruns,
infomercials, talk show interviews in which she blasts the younger stars of more recent years, and catty National Enquirer covers featuring photos of her in her more aged years and mocking her lost looks.

4. She had few family members who survived her, so she was ripe for perpetual exploitation. Ever since her death, attention-seekers have been crawling out of the woodwork with "Marilyn as you've never seen her before!" photos and stories,
with no one around to dispute their tales or heirs to contest any money made off her memory. Even Tony Curtis, who famously claimed that kissing Marilyn Monroe in Some Like it Hot was like "kissing Hitler," waited patiently for many years until Arthur Miller, Monroe's last surviving ex-spouse, passed away. Then he began making claims that the Hitler remark was a lie, and that he and Monroe actually had an affair during the making of the movie. Nobody else from the movie was around anymore, so he was free to say whatever he wanted to exploit someone who couldn't defend herself and had no one to speak for her.

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Marilyn Monroe appealed to everyone and she was pretty open about her personal life which made her even more appealing. Then of course she was beautiful in a way that was fairly new to the screen.. ..and her way of speaking in that breathy voice, very expressive eyes, her sensual behavior, movement, etc. The public loved her. Her early death contributed even more to her becoming a legend.

I remember my grandma crying her eyes out when she heard the on the news about Marilyn's death.

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I honestly don't get it.
Monroe was a horrible actress. She was completely monotone.
The only thing I can see is that it was the fifties and she was the ultimate woman for the time. Total bombshell, zero intelligence, zero confidence. The fifties man's dream.
She was a disaster filming this movie. A disaster. I don't think there is anyone less deserving of their fame and respect than Marylin Monroe.
I am sorry but someone like Judy Holiday deserved this role over Monroe. I doubt Holiday would have taken 48 takes to say "It's me Sugar", or push the production fifty grand over budget due to her unprofessional behavior.
Monroe was basically the Kim Kardashian of the fifties.

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Monroe was basically the Kim Kardashian of the fifties.

You know, logically, that could almost make sense. Kim Kardashian may show up to whatever idiotic red carpet event on time but she is a lumpy, fat, charisma free hobbit w/ not one ounce of talent or brains. None. That girl got "famous" for blowing some e list rapper on a home video.

Billy Wilder said once about this movie "if I hired my aunt instead of Marilyn, she would have learned all her lines in advance. She would have come to the set early every day. She would have been clean and sober. But no one would pay one nickel to see my aunt." MM had a magical combination of earth-shattering sex appeal crossed w/ crushing vulnerability.(I'm female, fyi.) I don't know if that combo has ever existed since. She was very adept at comedy, she got lots of laughs from this. Even it if took her 20 takes. Judy Holliday was talented of course, but not even in the same ballpark as MM in terms of appeal.

I think you are confusing her persona w/ her as a person. You don't have "zero intelligence or confidence" to achieve that level of fame.

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Judy Holliday was talented of course, but not even in the same ballpark as MM in terms of appeal.


I agree that they're not in the same ballpark. Judy Holliday is a vastly superior actress and comedian. She just doesn't get the attention she deserves because she's not a mass-produced commodity like Monroe and Hepburn.

You don't have "zero intelligence or confidence" to achieve that level of fame.


Isn't it strange and ironic that you say this in the same that you talk about the Kardashians? Although, I guess you can argue it took "confidence" (mainly in shamelessness) to get where they are today.

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You don't have "zero intelligence or confidence" to achieve that level of fame.

I understand the irony but Kim K is infamous not famous not to mention DESPISED the world over. She is the pawn of her puppet master mother. There is nothing else there. She's got nothing else going for her. How that woman's name is even mentioned as a reasonable comparison to MM is mind-boggling.

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like millions of people who love talent, i totally agree with you, JP Logan54 MM had zero talent, she gained fame cos she handed it around on a plate, the Kennedy's the rat pack, well everyone,,she was used i know, but you make your own choices,, she was very glamorous(not beautiful like Liz, Ava, Hedy ) and is still very famous, but not thru her films, she was addicted to booze and pills and had a very sad life, and i would not wish that on anyone, but talented?? Elizabeth Taylor, Audrey Hepburn were the most beautiful at the time, and were given all the best parts in films, same goes for people like shirley maclaine, they had talent and were very professional

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All of the above, and her talent, too. There were definitely better actors, but she could act.

She led a tough life and seemed to have succeeded. She was climbing high, but could not take the thin air. Then she died tragically under suspicious circumstances. I follow the principal of Occam's Razor. Suicide was certainly not ruled out and was certainly conceivable, so the simplest plausible reason is the most likely.

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Roger Ebert hit the nail on the head describing this scene:
Consider her solo of "I Wanna Be Loved by You." The situation is as basic as it can be: a pretty girl standing in front of an orchestra and singing a song. Monroe and Wilder turn it into one of the most mesmerizing and blatantly sexual scenes in the movies. She wears that clinging, see-through dress, gauze covering the upper slopes of her breasts, the neckline scooping to a censor's eyebrow north of trouble. Wilder places her in the center of a round spotlight that does not simply illuminate her from the waist up, as an ordinary spotlight would, but toys with her like a surrogate neckline, dipping and clinging as Monroe moves her body higher and lower in the light with teasing precision. It is a striptease in which nudity would have been superfluous. All the time she seems unaware of the effect, singing the song innocently, as if she thinks it's the literal truth. To experience that scene is to understand why no other actor, male or female, has more sexual chemistry with the camera than Monroe.

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Yes, exactly.

I can understand people's bewilderment with Marilyn's larger than life status, but I don't understand the vehemence and the anger.

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https://youtu.be/WQIvhotZSUw

I see what Roger meant! That scene really does highlight her large and beautiful breasts.
However, I think her voice was innocent sounding for the song but every other move she makes is completely sexually teasing. It’s a mastery of the art of striptease.

The bell hop threatens Jack Lemmon sexually. Glad times are changing.

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Was she doing a Betty Boop imitation?

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