White Man's Fantasy



The idea that this young, beautiful woman is going to be throwing herself at an old, cranky sheriff is ludicrous.

Especially because he is wearing a wedding ring!

She says she's hard to get, and yet is undressing behind a panel right after saying that?

Yeah, right. This is a ridiculous fantasy.

Plus the fact that the old sheriff could be killed at any moment, and she could have just about any man she wants.

The mexican guy is basically portrayed as a short, servile clown.

(That gets a black eye from his wife).



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"At least you guys have Erik Estrada. "

Lol.

What do you mean by you guys?

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"Well you sound like your hispanic. Either that or you work for the ACLU. "

That's funny.

"Why do people like you always have to dissect a movie just because you think its stereotypical"

It does have silly stereotypes in it. I was laughing my azz off at the silliness of having such a young beautiful woman throwing herself at the old codger sheriff, and he was wearing a wedding ring!!!

"Old white guys score with young white girls all the time. "

You wish. Lol.

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"I mean your initial post sounded angry but I guess your not. "

Not angry...just laughing at how outdated and silly it is.

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Hardly considering in real life while making the movie Angie Dickinson fancied John Wayne and claimed that 'the tall silent type get her every time'.

Maybe your jealous but John Wayne was gorgeous in Rio Bravo and in the 1930's and 40's he was one of the best looking men in the world.

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I don't think it's a wedding ring. It could be Duke's Freemasonary ring or he just liked it. He wore it in a few movies. Later on in the 60s, he wore a gold bracelet in his movies.

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No because Dukes sexier.

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"Later on in the 60s, he wore a gold bracelet in his movies."

I think you'll find that it was a copper bracelet, as in the old "cure" for arthritis and rheumatism.

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It was an MIA bracelet.

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When did MIA bracelets come out? He was wearing this bracelet at least from 1968, when (as far as I know) there was little publicity about MIAs. Not doubting you - just hadn't heard anything about that - but Wayne's shoulder injury is well-known.

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Wonder if they ..

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You folks who lament that Dickinson persued John T. forget that in those days an older man marrying a younger woman wasn't unheard of. Mail order brides? Remember them? You can't look at things through today's lens...

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Fantasy? Would you be surprised if Dickinson and Wayne had sex? Men want young women who are good to have sex with, and women want men with accomplishments. Plenty of films about women who are too old getting rich men to do anything for them. Granted they are also handsome, but that just means women dream even harder than men.

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More like your head is permanently wedged up your ass

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Humprey Bogart married Lauren Bacall who was 25 years younger.

Cary Grant married Dyan Cannon who was 35 years younger
After their divorce, married a younger woman.

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so what, haven't you ever had a fantasy before?

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Women and Men are all different (thank God) many people like many different things, we are not all little mindless clones, some women do prefer older men, fat men, short men, tall men, etc., etc. just like some men like fat women, tall women, and on and on, they may be in the smaller percentages than the norm, but it does happen, and what a world this would be if everyone looked and thought alike, thats not for me, after all variety IS the spice of life.

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Everyone is entitled to a little fantasy. I admit I find the young woman/ old man thing just a little bit icky-just my opinion, but i don't object to her because she's young. I object to her because she is annoying. As eye candy, full marks,but acting talent? Minimule.
Everytime I watch this (and it's one of our favorites) we wonder,"What was Maureen O'Hara doing that she couldn't be in this."

Not all who wander are lost

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Angie was about 28. (28 isn't THAT young.)
The Duke was about 51. (It's pathetic that you think 51 makes an old codger.)
Not that big a stretch, when you know the facts.

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The age difference isn't much of a problem. Indeed Grant and Bogart and Gary Cooper and Clark Gable and Wayne were all believably romancing younger women on screen in those days, just like Harrison Ford and Sean Connery and Michael Douglas do it today (though less so with those guys now.) Interestingly, Cary Grant retired, among other reasons, because he didn't want to romance younger women on the screen. When his friend Howard Hawks protested that Grant married and dated MUCH younger women, Grant replied, "that's in real life. I don't want to parade it on screen."

For his part, John Wayne did elect to play same "older age peer" romances in his later years, and critics praised him for it. Notably opposite a mature Patricia Neal in "In Harm's Way" (1965), and then with a decidedly old-looking wife in "The Cowboys" and later opposite Katharine Hepburn and Lauren Bacall in "Rooster Cogburn" and "The Shootist."

As for the racial/ethnic matters, there's perhaps no greater marker of how American movies changed than watching the great movies of the 30's, 40's, 50's, and even early 60's, and noticing how differently the races are treated.
But things changed.

Most often, ethic minorities simply WEREN'T THERE in these movies. They weren't cast, roles weren't written for them. These were white movies made for a white world.

Sidney Poitier anchored many pictures from the fifties on, to be sure...things started to change. It would take a bit longer for all ethnic groups to get equal representation on the screen. And of course even today, there are movies made with predominantly white casts (and predominantly black, hispanic, and Asian casts...)

In "Rio Bravo's" favor, I would suggest, is that the Mexican character played by the then-popular Pedro Gonzalez-Gonzalez, is as good a friend and helpmate to John Wayne as anybody else on "the team," and participates in the final shootout. A faked assualt on the Mexican wife brings Wayne down to rescue her, though its a trap for him. The film also speaks to the Mexican culture and language near the Texas town in which it is set. The film is respectful in its own laid-back way.

It is also a very entertaining, very good movie.


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tyurbrner only dislikes this film because Tarantino likes it.


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Angie was about 28. (28 isn't THAT young.)


What are you, in Jr. High?
WTF is 28 if it isn't young, "sort of" old?? Yeah right junior. 28 is young and is especially so in contrast with an aged 50+ middle aged man. While perhaps not overtly immoral or even all that uncommon for the time(though still primarily with respect to Hollyweird, I'd venture), it's still a significant age difference. What the eff else can a 20+ year gap be considered as?
Damn it with these crummy IMDB posts. Why can't people use their brains?

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I agree that they kind of "othered" the Hispanic couple a little. They kind of portrayed them as sexually more out of control than the whites in the town, and he was all like "I know my way around women, senor" which kind of echoes the stereotype that Hispanics have lots of babies and that Carlos wasn't even asked to participate in the fight at all.

I'm also reading waay too much into it probably

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He may not have been asked - after all, he was not a gunfighter or lawman - but he did turn up to help in the fight, which shows that for all the "foreign comic relief" jibes about this movie, he was given far more credit than the rest of the white folk in the movie (other than the central characters, of course).

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Carlos wasn't even asked to participate in the fight at all.


He did though, on his own accord. Chance said he "didn't want help from well-meaning amateurs" who he thought would just be more targets for the villains to shoot at. And as sheriff, he felt the problem was his responsibility. (As opposed to High Noon where the sheriff goes begging for help) Stumpy was comic relief as well, Feathers has a checkered past, and Dude was a drunk. Carlos is one of the more upstanding characters.

As to the OP's bigoted and generalizing post; I read about an Egyptian over 100 years old who married a teenager.

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Why is it a white man's fantasy? Don't older men of other races dig younger chicks?

Quit bagging on race dude.

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Yeah I have a professor from Nigeria who is my favorite teacher ever, but he always says to find him a man who wouldn't want a younger girl and he'll stop being from Nigeria.

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> She says she's hard to get, and yet is undressing
> behind a panel right after saying that?


Isn't the full line something along the lines of:

"I'm hard to get. You have to tell me that you want me."


The meaning of the *full* line of dialog is *not* that she will be hard for him to get, it's that she is already his if he wants her.

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What was?

The entire movie?

The love interest?

The cinematography?

The thread?

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Considering Wayne's massive box office appeal, the love interest was hardly unrealistic. I recall my mother raving about him in the early 60s. She is younger than Angie. Realistic for her, and for many others. You're looking at a movie outside of it's contemporary setting. You're also not reading other posts which have made it clear that even at the age of 51, John Wayne was considered to be quite "hot".

As for Wayne being overweight, yes he was a little overweight, but I've seen others - and him - in a far worse state. Had Rio Bravo been made 15 years later, or even 10, I would have agreed with you.

As for Dino, he was playing the part of a drunk getting over a girl who was - in Wayne's character's initial impression - just like Angie...wouldn't have worked.

If you're saying Wayne should have been the drunk, consider my first point - Wayne was major box office. No way would the studio, Hawks or possibly even Wayne have considered the possibility.

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I don't know what anybody ever saw in the big dumb talentless racist


Well, I guess you missed something that lots of others saw, willie. 28 years dead and he continues to score in the top ten of popular performers.

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Hello Clive.

Back to your old tricks I see.

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Fantasy? Dude I'm sure John Wayne saw more pussy than a retired gynecologist.

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I always felt that Feathers was using Sheriff Chance in a play for Stumpy. Feathers has a hard time meeting Stumpy because he rarely left the jail. Stumpy lead a much less dangerous life than Chance, who was at contant risk throughout the film. Notice at the end of the film she throws Stumpy her tights. This was a clear come on. Had the film not already been so long this story would have been more fully developed. Perhaps if she could have gotten arrested early in the movie it would have ended with Feathers actually going off with Stumpy instead of just having the tease at the end. I think this is every young woman's fantasy.

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The Mexican was not asked to participate in the shootout because the point was because the point was constantly being made that Wayne was a professional lawman and didn't want help. Remember, he also refused help from Ward Bond's character and Angie Dickinson's Feathers. He even asked Stumpy to stay home.

Stumpy and the Mexican invited themselves in anyway.

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Feathers should have grabbed this opportunity to run off with Stumpy. The jail was empty and thus Stumpy was available.

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"Perhaps if she could have gotten arrested early in the movie it would have ended with Feathers actually going off with Stumpy instead of just having the tease at the end. I think this is every young woman's fantasy."

Even the gay Vietnamese dude in "Good Morning, Vietnam" was into Walter Brennan.

At any rate, this thread is garbage and the OP's on the ignore list for being a moron. Lastly, Dickenson was no kid in this flick. In those days, 28 was well into adulthood--35 was considered middle age.

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