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Is it an extremely painful way to die? Does nobody survive?


Just how painful is it to die from radiation poisoning? Is it very painful - is that why everyone was being given suicide pills (or am I wrong to assume that those little boxes they were handing out to the public were suicide pills)?

I was thinking how even under the worst plague, there are lots of survivors. But with radiation, apparently no one can survive. Is that true? If so, why can no one survive the radiation blast? If even one man and one woman survived, you would have a new Adam and Eve!

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very slow painful death

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seashellz is correct. The book describes it in some detail -- diarrhea, vomiting, "bloody stools" and so forth. The blood-forming tissues are destroyed, causing a loss of body salts, according to the novel. It also says that death occurs from exhaustion, meaning the body just dying off, or in some cases infection may be the immediate cause of death. Depending on a person's health and degree of resistance, it could take a week or so to die.

An interesting aspect in the book is that it's said you can fall ill for a couple of days and then experience a brief recovery, lasting perhaps a week to ten days, before falling ill a second and final time. This happens to the character of Peter Holmes in the book. People who are heavy drinkers also seem to have a greater resistance to radiation due to alcohol, though they of course finally succumb to its effects. I don't know if this is true but I assume the author Nevil Shute researched it pretty carefully. Also, animals have greater resistance to radiation and will outlive humans by several months, with the rabbit being the last to go, about a year after mankind.

Of course, the inhabitants of Hiroshima and Nagasaki experienced radiation sickness as a consequence of the atomic bombings (apart from the immediate effects such as burns and so forth, which would not occur in an On the Beach scenario), but I don't know how close Shute's description aligned with those experiences.

The final question is whether this scenario -- of all life being extinguished in a nuclear war -- would really happen. The overwhelming consensus is it would not. Life, including human life, would manage to survive, barely. Even with the nuclear stockpiles held by several countries not all life could be killed off -- or so it's believed. This is probably so, but the point is to make sure we never have the opportunity to find out.

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Amen! Testify!

Laugh while you can, Monkey Boy!

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If there ever was a new Adam & Eve, I hope they have more success than the original couple.

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I personally know a woman who was 11 years old, and knocked off her feet by the blast at Hiroshima, she is still alive and active. The radiation seems to had no effect.

I also knew a man who was the president of the University of Hiroshima (and a friend of Emperor Hirohito too). He escaped the blast because he was leading a group of biology students in the mountains that morning, they came back to tend to whatever wounded they could find. Anyhow, he lived to a ripe old age, and did not glow in the dark either.

The modern bombs are much more powerful, but they are targeted to a few places, an outright holocaust is not likely, but it still would not be pretty.

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Just how painful is it to die from radiation poisoning? Is it very painful - is that why everyone was being given suicide pills (or am I wrong to assume that those little boxes they were handing out to the public were suicide pills)?

I was thinking how even under the worst plague, there are lots of survivors. But with radiation, apparently no one can survive. Is that true? If so, why can no one survive the radiation blast? If even one man and one woman survived, you would have a new Adam and Eve!
Survival after a nuclear holocaust is possible and depends on various factors. These factors include such things as your location, how much food, water, medical stuff, etc., you have and whether you have a means of shielding from the blast, and the fallout.

Whether or not you can recover from radiation sickness is largely dependant on the total dose that you receive. If you get only a small dose, the chances are that you can recover with either no or very few ill effects. On the other hand, if you get too much radiation, you will die. That is the bad news. However, the good news is that you can actually protect yourself from the radioactivity in fallout and it is pretty easy (depending upon your location) to do it.

There are three means of protecting yourself: time, distance and shielding.

Time. Contrary to the message in this film, radioactivity in fallout actually decays pretty quickly. This can be calculated by what is called the 7:10 rule of thumb. What this tells us is that for every sevenfold passage of time, you can expect the rads per hour to decrease by a factor of ten. Example: the initial blast emits 1000 rads/hour. Seven hours later the count will be 100 rads and 49 hours after the blast, the count will be down to 10 rads. In about two weeks (343 hours to be exact) the level will be down to 1 rad/hour and this is a level that will safe enough to work in for limited times. Actually I am being conservative here, but I figure that it is better to be on the cautious side.

Distance. The further you are from the source, the less you will be affected by the radiation. The amount of radiation you get is inversely proportional, not to distance, but to the square of the distance. In other words, if you are standing 10 feet (or meters) away a source of energy you will get 1/100th of the energy as the person standing one foot away. Think of in this way: if you hold a hot coal in your hand, it will burn severely. The same coal a foot away only warms the hand. Why? Because the heat (energy) has been dispersed. Move two feet away, and you likely won't feel any of the coal's heat. Radiation works the same way.

Shielding. This can be as simple as packed earth. Concrete also works well, as does steel. As little as four inches of packed earth can block half of the gamma rays, which are the most penetrating, hence the most dangerous, and the effect is cumulative. In other words, another four inches will block another half, and so on. 40" will therefore block over 1023/1024ths of the gamma radiation. A little more than four feet. And it will be (pardon the expression!) dirt-cheap to do this.

As an example, suppose that Philadelphia is nuked but for some odd reason, New York City is spared. Hobnob is a dear friend and he lives in the vicinity of NYC, so I decided to spare his hometown. This means that the basement of any of the Manhattan skyscrapers should provide adequate shelter from the fallout resulting from the blast in Philly. The vast majority of the radioactivity should be gone in about a month and it should be safe to work outside, and sweep and otherwise clean up. No need to thank me Hob. What are friends for?

Now I enjoyed this film and I think it was probably Kramer's best effort. But one thing that I can't do, unlike so many seem to, is take the central premise seriously, to wit: that all animal life on earth will end.

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Hobnob is a dear friend and he lives in the vicinity of NYC, so I decided to spare his hometown.


Ah, go ahead and nuke it.

Besides, if they bombed Philly no one would notice. Probably wouldn't even interrupt Amtrak, or at least they'd take any derailments as the usual Friday-night commuter mayhem.

However, we might run out of cream cheese for generations. Just fair warning.

One thing absent from your excellent dissertation, g, is the blast effect. Granted this is slightly off the strict topic of radiation, but obviously it's a factor in survival. Distance there would seem the critical issue.

In any case, a true post-nuclear-war world would be a pretty horrific place in which to, you should pardon the expression, live. I'm not talking about a couple of cities (bad enough) but widespread destruction. Radiation aside, the infrastructure would be decimated and largely inoperable for years if not decades, reconstruction piecemeal and sporadic, communications badly disrupted, medical aid ranging from non-existent to overwhelmed, food supplies destroyed and certainly interrupted and sporadic, and so on. And this would be planet-wide, varying from place to place, but something it would take mankind a century or more to overcome, if then.

The problem with being too comforted by the debatable notion of surviving a nuclear war is that (a) survival is not a given and (b) the effects of such a war, short-, medium- and long-term, are too egregious to contemplate. The fact is, no one can guarantee what the effects of a nuclear war might be. The best thing is to accept the worst-case scenarios and not risk it. Minimizing its potential hazards, or the nature and extent of its destruction to civilization as well as to the planet itself, may lead some to think of such a war as an acceptable event. It isn't.

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Hold on, I happen to live in Manhattan, too! Just saw BEACH last night. Kinda creaky, but it held my interest. I live in the basement apartment of a brownstone; in case the "bomb" hits, I'll go into the sub-basement and cover myself with copies of the Daily News & the Post.

May I bone your kipper, Mademoiselle?

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Oh, then, don't fret, bradford. Layered with its dense covering of lies, the Post will save you, and you'll be the only human being in history who could make such a boast!

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AHAHAH! Of course, being covered with Post pages might turn out to be worse than radiation poisoning.

May I bone your kipper, Mademoiselle?

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Well, Murdoch is Australian....

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Your post reminds me of my favorite scene from the first Independence Day movie, when Houston gets nuked.

Laugh while you can, Monkey Boy!

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Yes, a very nasty death indeed. Like intestinal flu that keeps going until it kills you by eating you up from the inside. As the novel says, sometimes you may "enjoy" a period of temporary respite lasting maybe a week or two, but then it comes back double-strong. In the novel, one character gets sick, then feels better and buys a load of sandwiches to fuel his renewed appetite, but keeps his feasts hidden from his wife who is also sick and doomed, with no signs of temporary respite.

And yes, no one survives. The devastation in the Northern Hemisphere was simply too great for any long-term survival, not even via fallout shelters. Moreover, had you survived, you had nowhere to run away to. The entire hemisphere was blasted and seared and covered with lethal radiation, there were no working transport systems, and virtually no communications.

Shute's novel is predicated on a particularly nasty scenario of the deliberate use of cobalt bombs and warheads, said at the time to create the very worst, toxic and lethal form of fallout, with a prolonged half-life. Given this type of warfare, in Shute's day at least, the "total end of human life on earth" was a realistic outcome.

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The total end of human life -- actually of all life, although what happens in the oceans is left a bit unclear -- was never a realistic outcome. In the 50s (or Shute's imagined early 60s) there simply weren't enough nuclear weapons in the world to bring about such a result, irrespective of what radioactive elements they employed. It just was not possible. Even today it's impossible by any realistic assessment.

Shute wrote OTB seven years after he moved to Australia in no small part as a rebuttal to those -- and there were many -- who deluded themselves into believing that an atomic world war that engulfed the Northern Hemisphere -- which was and is a reasonably realistic scenario -- would have no effect on the South, which could go on in somewhat straightened circumstances but essentially unaffected. Akira Kurosawa based his 1955 film I Live in Fear/Record of a Living Being on this premise. Shute wanted to convey the fallacy of this thinking by conjuring a worst-case scenario that would scare people away from thinking about nuclear war as survivable, let alone winnable. But the best scientific assessments are that even such a catastrophe as a nuclear war would not go so far as to eliminate all life on Earth. Life will survive, as it has similar global disasters in the past. The real issue issue is how much life, and in what state? And a war in one part of the planet would not simply leave the rest of the planet unaffected -- it would have monumental environmental and other devastating effects even for areas spared direct combat.

That's the power of Shute's tale -- that it warns people that they hold the very existence of life on Earth in their hands, and to act wisely. The film makes this point too. But they do so by proposing a dramatic but at base unreal end game. Life would not be exterminated. But it would be driven to the brink, and take centuries to recover, with unfathomable difficulties and consequences. That wouldn't have been as easy or direct to set forth in the book or film, so Shute went straight for the jugular of total death and hopelessness -- sort of a nuclear "scared straight". In this it was better than posing the actually more credible result of some survivors, because even that scenario can still tempt fools into believing that nuclear war is manageable and "not so bad".

Shute fought delusion with illusion...with the caveat that no one really knows what such a war might bring, so that it's best not to try to tempt fate by finding out.

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Agreed - I realize it's a work of fiction, and I never said total destruction was a realistic outcome. Rather, I cited Shute's intention, illusional as it may have been, which implied the death of all human (and possibly animal) life on earth.

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Of course, in theory, anything is possible. It would certainly be true that if you could emit enough radiation into the Earth's atmosphere all life on the planet would die out. The problem is a practical one -- that mankind doesn't have the bombs, technology or any actual ability to hurl that much radioactivity into the atmosphere. For all intents and purposes, Shute's scenario is a practical impossibility. But it works much better, more cleanly if you will, as a story than having some life survive. As a cautionary tale, better to think that all life could be exterminated.

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Yes, agreed - sorry for this very late reply.

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No problem -- always a pleasure to hear from you!

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