Why in the name of god is this even being brought up?
shareIt was brought up because in early horror films (and still many horror films today) the minorities are killed off first. It reflects that our society valued (or values) these lives less.
shareNo, I have to disagree. I've seen old and new horror movies where the so called minority characters didn't die at all, but only the white characters who didn't listen to the warnings of the black character(s). I do grant that these black characters were usually some kind of native type, which I suppose some find offensive, but I personally don't give a rats behind. And by the way, I'm a minority--so called "Native American" or "American Indian". I prefer the name "American" myself.
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Yes, I think you're correct. This film is being over analyszed.
shareThe posters who are getting excited about minorities being eaten first are presuming that the roles were written for minorities, not just cast with minorities. The part of Rook especially seems to have been just written for a typical sidekick type with perhaps a line or two later ad-libbed. Rook and Sherman were clearly friends who enjoyed joshing each other and Sherman displays real horror and grief when he learns of his death.
It is ironic that a producer who hired minorities gets tarred as racist, while a real racist would merely have cast both roles with white actors and would thus not be subject to criticism.
Well, let's make a comment on 75% of old movies about how un-pc they are. Time has moved on, we have a totally different mind-set, but let's keep wringing our hands over the past. I'm a woman - should I be ticked off that the female lead wanted to be a regular woman and give up her science career? I think I'll beat that horse for awhile.
shareTo me, when movies are Un-PC, it's a good thing. PC is little more than another form of fascism in my humble opinion.
shareI thought it was pretty lame how they treated Rook, but I think that Mario the Hispanic Italian got a good run. Come to think of it, I think Rook has the record for most dead shrews. We see three shrew skulls where Rook is found dead. Wait, the captain's got four under his belt. Well, Rook was a close second. God bless his soul.
Hey, it's a lot better than early portrayals in cinema.
political correctness is the same as facsism !?!
WTF!?! How dumb are you ??
Political Correctness is basically the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of facsism/racism etc.
You mean to tell me you've never met somebody who belives in PC? They're just as narrow minded as a Nazi, Communist, or Socialist, and all of such thought systems are forms of fascim. And you do realize of course that there is left wing and right wing fascim? PC is left wing fascim. Now listen carefully and you might learn something: PC is NOT the opposite of fascim. It is another form of the narrow minded, intellectually bankrupt ideas already mentioned above. But it seems to me you believe in Polictical Correctness, so I guess you didn't like being called what you are, a fascist.
sharedo you even know what "facism" means and where it comes from ???
shareYes, do you? You're indicating you don't by your comments. I just ran into a PC fascist the other day on a college campus. She was just like a Nazi. Closed minded, no capacity for free thought. Just a parrot reciting the party line. And when I began to use simple logic to destroy her argument, she hinted that she would "see to it" that I not be allowed to partipate on another debate pannel. She won't be able to stop me but the fascist mindset is there. Should this female professor ever be given actual power, you can bet she would do her best to squelch any dissenting opinion. So, PC under the guise of freedom and tolerance is in reality an oppressive system of thought much like Fascist systems of the past. Yes I know PC isn't a nation state under run by a Hitler or Mussolini, but fascism is much more than that.
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PC is fine but it along with all the so called equal rights laws and so on have only loed to one thing more race and gender problems
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Where is your documentation on this? Cite examples please. You have made a very general statement without anything to back it up.
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It was brought up because in early horror films (and still many horror films today) the minorities are killed off first. It reflects that our society valued (or values) these lives less
It was brought up because in early horror films (and still many horror films today) the minorities are killed off first. It reflects that our society valued (or values) these lives less.It reflects nothing of the kind. It reflects that minorities were cast in minor roles. The minor roles will obviously get killed first. Sahara with Bogart is a film where the minorities don't get killed first. Not surprising since the Italian and the African in the film are not as minor as about a half dozen non-minority characters. share
No. It doesn't. It's not the value of one life. It's about the quality of the scream, budget for the film, there not being many notible minority actors willing to do a B movie.
People didn't see things how we do now, yet you assume that every society had the same sensibilities and morals as we do now and should've judged by it. Which is a crime to history.
Because some people have nothing better to do!!!
share"Why in the name of god is this even being brought up?"
First Corollary of Godwin's Law: In any Internet discussion or comment thread, someone will inevitably bring up race. Doesn't matter what the topic is. It could be a discussion about trout fishing.
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I felt bad for the black guy when he died.
This is my signature. AREN'T YOU EXCITED?!
"To me, when movies are Un-PC, it's a good thing. PC is little more than another form of fascism in my humble opinion."
I agree with you there. a large propotion of threads on IMDB bring up either 'it's un-pc' or 'this movie is racist' even when the movie in question clearly isn't. This is a form of PC McCarthyism "are you now or have you ever been..." anyway...
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Cicman you rock! The movie did have the two people who weren't white get killed first but in 1959 at least they included them and never once did they bring up the color of their skin. And the captain cried when he saw that Rook died and he never did that with anyone else showing he was better friends with him than the others. So, this movie was pretty politically correct for 1959 because probably the people making the movie thought they were making a statement by including them and they were both treated like equals. But, it was kind of unfair how they made them die first but still it 1959 it was pc.
shareI agree with you there. a large propotion of threads on IMDB bring up either 'it's un-pc' or 'this movie is racist' even when the movie in question clearly isn't. This is a form of PC McCarthyism "are you now or have you ever been..." anyway
Actually it seems like NOBODY even NOTICED that the Black guy was missing for like half the movie!
Plus, his dialogue made him sound like "Sambo" with his "yess'm" and his "Lordy, Lordy!" when the shrews were trying to eat him...
And the Latino / Mexican guy sounded like Speedy Gonzales on valium!
But - to be fair - all the Caucasians were drunks!
And the one woman was as dumb as could be!
The black guy, Rook, was on the ship and only the captain came ashore. I think he was supposed to wait there for a time before coming ashore.
shareExactly you're all taking this way to damn personally. It's not your fault because most people are stupid and our soceity tells people to expect the worse when it comes race, but this is horror movie is a bunch of cliches, got that?
Ever seen friday the 13 movies? Well, I've seen one or two and nobody seems to notice when a character gets killed! And the Captain told Rook to stay on the boat.
THE MAJOR THING is that no one knew Rook got killed because no one was around to see it! Honestly,m there was thunder so that's why they didn't hear him and the only way they could have found out is if they saw his remains which they did. Think for a second, if it was a white guy. Come on be open minded there would be no arguement on these boards and if someone said "No one noticed." People would say the only way they would know is if they found his body. Once again don't suspect the worse just because the character is black. And as mean or degrading as this might sound i know quite of few spanish people who don't even speak english, and it's the truth.
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Blacks and hispanics are susceptible to death, just as whites. Having them kept safe would be just as, if not more, bigoted than having only blacks get eaten. Should there have been only whites killed?
It's funny, having watched this movie a hundred times I've never contemplated the "PC"-ness *shudder*. I dispise you for polluting my head with this crap.
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Rook was a cool guy. Mario was friendly and thoughtful. Their deaths made me feel bad. But I was happy when the ravenous killer shrews feasted upon the screaming Jerry.
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No, that's simply not true. In "King" the afro-american guy is the hero of the movie. He has all the funny lines and solves the mystery in the end (his white comrade only does the shooting in the end). The antagonist is a Nazi. This should pretty much explain his behaviour towards blacks.
shareI think this movie was made before retarded liberals set a standard about what minorities are allowed to be killed by mutated shrews.
shareI don't know about that but does anybody think that Dogs were not actually shot in this film. Some of them dropped pretty fast and we doubt they were shot with tranquilizer darts. Nor did we think the budget of this film allowed for specially trained dogs. The company probably picked up a dozen (12) awaiting disposal at the local pound. None of them ever made it off that island.
As for this PC stuff we are not intimidated by this intellectual form of Stalinism. We first ran into it in the early 70s while attending UOI. The original PC creators, you know the Flower Children (ie Hippies) routinely tried to use intimidation to push their beliefs upon others in the student union. In class rooms they were often aided and abbetted by like thinking professors all on the tax payers tit. When arguments were repudiated by logic, shouting down was the usual tactic. I walked out once with this parting comment to the Prof, "I am leaving you with your trained seals!" Of course the grades were already in so there was nothing this drain on the taxpayer could do.