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Clifton Webb as Professor Lindenbrook?


Many years ago I was reading some old Newsweeks in my college library when I stumbled across an item from 1959. It said that his doctors had ordered Clifton Webb to go on an extended rest because he was suffering from exhaustion. The item went on to say that this had forced Webb to withdraw from "a science fiction movie starring Pat Boone." As JOURNEY was going into production at that time and it's the only film Boone ever made that could be remotely (if somewhat inaccurately) termed "science fiction", I have to assume that Webb was set to play Professor Lindenbrook. Despite his age (about 67 then), this makes some sense, as he was a Fox contract player and had just completed two films under the direction of JOURNEY's director, Henry Levin.

Still, James Mason was definitely a better choice -- younger, more vigorous, a more convincing romantic lead, actually British, and a better actor, good as Webb was.

Anybody ever hear anything about this?

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This is true. A few years ago I saw on eBay someone selling an 8x10 glossy of Webb in the Lindenbrook cave exploring costume for JOURNEY. So, he was involved in some of the pre-production. Hopefully stills of this stuff will make it to a JOURNEY special edition DVD (which should be coming for 2008). Webb was a big star at Fox back in the 40s and 50s, but I'm glad he was replaced by Mason. James Mason (and Bernard Herrmann's music) really holds that picture together.

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Thanks for the confirmation! The little I read did indicate that Webb had begun some work on the production, so the fact that there are stills of him as Lindenbrook isn't too surprising, but nice to know. I've heard rumors of a special edition of JOURNEY coming in '08 and I hope they're correct, though the current DVD is perfectly acceptable. (Or will they make us wait for a 50th anniversary edition in 2009?) It would be great to have some material showing Webb on an SE. I wonder whether he shot any scenes, even if only costume or make-up tests, that sort of thing, in addition to stills.

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I'm hoping that the "Journey 3-D" thing, which I think is a Disney movie aimed mostly at kids and is supposed to be opening in August, will help bring about a special edition JOURNEY '59 DVD from Fox. Anyway, that's the way it usually works. I've posted about what I'd like to see in such a S.E. on the board already, so I won't go into it any further. But I also wanted to mention that Alexander Scourby was originally cast as Count Saknussem, and started shooting at Carlsbad Caverns, but the producers weren't happy with him for whatever reason and he was replaced by Thayer David. As far as I know Clifton Webb was out before shooting started. There was a science fiction film magazine that did a "making of" article on JOURNEY about twenty years ago and that's where I read that. Another tidbit... James Mason and Arlene Dahl couldn't stand each other! I should add this suff to the trivia section.

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Never heard about Scourby's being on the film, but I think Thayer David was better: less smooth, more physically repulsive, a better scene-stealer than the suave Scourby. It seems to me I'd heard something once about the Mason/Dahl mutual dislike, and that doesn't surprise me, a lot of people seemed not to have gotten along with JM.

I'll check your post re wished-for SE extras. Didn't know about the Disney film, so you're probably right, Fox should release in '08 to take advantage. I have the original soundtrack of JTTCOTE on CD. Plays great in the car, and useful for frightening other motorists out of the way if I turn up the sound.

A pleasure speaking with someone who knows his stuff so well!

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But James Mason wrote nice things about Dahl in his autobiography - and Dahl had nice things to say about Mason in Sheridan Morley's biography of Mason. Are you sure this is true? If they truly couldn't stand one another, why would they bother saying thing at all?

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I very much agree. Mason's performance is marvelous. His performance alone makes it worthwhile. I have similar feelings about 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

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Very interesting---I had never heard that but very glad that Mason got the role. As a young girl watching this for the first time many years I definitely had a crush on him---jeeez, did i really just say that...

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Hey, that was supposed to have been the secret of his appeal back in Britain -- the kind of man who'd push women out of the way, treat them with contempt, and have them coming back for more. Apparently that's why women were crazy about him in the late 30s and 40s. I'm a man, so don't ask me why this should be appealing to any woman. The emotional remoteness? The hint of the unattainable? Escapes me. But he was clearly no Clifton Webb!

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Well.... Clifton Webb would have been remote and unattainable to the ladies, for quite a different reason.

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Yeah, we've discussed that on other boards. But I bet he would've made himself "attainable" for James Mason...or Pat Boone! (And probably freaked upright, uptight Pat into a state of catatonia.)

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Don't kid yourself. Women moviegoers found Webb very attractive, remote or not. He wouldn't have been a movie star if they hadn't. As soon as people find out an actor's gay, they always go back and retroactively negate his effectiveness in heterosexual roles. Sorry, but that's not the way it works. In "It's Always Fair Weather" Dolores Gray sings "I got a guy that's Clifton Webb and Marlon Brando combined." Webb played the difficult guy, a lot for any woman to put up with, who was worth it. He did romantic leads opposite Barbra Stanwyck, Jane Wyman and Ginger Rogers, and nobody ever doubted he was in love with Gene Tierney in Laura.

If you notice, it's pretty clear that the part was written with Webb in mind. The lines, which would have been such zingers coming out of Webb's mouth, are fairly flat from James Mason. When Boone says he thought Dahl might look down into the volcano, change her mind, and go back, Lindenbrook says "You make my mouth water." A classic Webb line. Another is "Madam, are you wearing stays? When you move, I can hear them creaking." They've also given the character the humanizing Clifton Webb speech to the female lead that always breaks down his starchy persona -- in this case, it's the speech about his mother and the porridge. In "Titanic," it's his farewell to Stanwyck.

Webb would have been great. He'd have played the curmudgeon (yelling at the housekeeper for bringing him food, fighting with his colleagues) and absent-minded professor (missing his own dinner party to melt the lava off a rock) much better than Mason did. He may not have had Mason's sex appeal, but he'd have sparred really well with Dahl. It wouldn't have been the first time; he had already done it in "Woman's World." Mason doesn't battle with equal conviction -- as always, he has a certain languor. I'll grant you he's sexier, and he's good in the part, but if it had been Webb instead, nobody would be complaining.

Anybody can go snark snark snark about the gay actor, years and many biographies later. There are already people claiming Cary Grant was never a convincing heterosexual on screen. Yeah, right.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. Gandhi.

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My only objection to Webb having played the part would be that he was too old. I'm glad they got Mason instead and I think the picture is better for it.

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Hey, wonderful, spirited advocacy for Webb! I like it. Now I want to go back and look at some of his performances with a fresh willingness to appreciate. Thanks!

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No one's knocking Clifton Webb, a great actor and, personally, one of my favorites. But not every actor is suitable for every role. "ducdebrabant"'s polemic is mostly a defense of Webb's sexuality (an irrelevant issue) vis-a-vis his performances, which is ridiculous.

The dialogue may or may not have been written with Webb in mind (actually, this is almost certainly not the case), but that poster's notion that the lines are "flat" coming from Mason is preposterous. Mason was one of the world's finest actors and merely delivered his lines differently from the way Webb probably would have.

Of course, which one you'd prefer is all a matter of personal taste, but given Webb's age and ill health, his even being considered for this physically challenging part -- which clearly required a younger and fitter man -- is baffling. Not to mention that Mason was at least of the correct nationality for Professor Lindenbrook.

However, cmgeyer, I hope you have indeed been paying closer attention to many of Webb's performances. The films he made late in his career aren't very good, but much of his earlier work -- from the mid-40s through the mid-50s -- is filled with many good films and excellent performances from Webb. Plus it's true that he usually elevated even the bad films he was in, making them at least a little more interesting than they'd otherwise have been.

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