why trash on Miss Lora?


I have repeatedly read many comments on this board, and I have a question? Why does everyone continously attack Miss Lora?

I get the feeling that these posters think that Miss Lora owes Annie and that they consider Miss Lora a racist because she kept Annie on as her maid. Whats the problem with that. When they first met on the beach, wasnt it Miss Lora who let Annie and her daughter, Sarah Jane stay there with them, FOR FREE

Miss Lora didnt expect anything from Annie, but Annie was the one who insisted on staying as her maid.........Miss Lora never asked her to stay......

Annie was the one who came up with the idea and Miss Lora then agreed to keep her on as her maid.......it was an Employer / Employee relatioship, period

Annie did not run in Miss Loras circle of friends, so that makes Miss Lora a racist? Seems to me, as a maid, Annie was paid highly, she even had Annie and Sarah Jane live there in her house. Annie made good money, she even said she had money put away of Sarah Jane and her funeral........Annie had minks, she even told the Reverand that her furs were real on her death bed.

Shese, you people need to realize that it wasnt a friendship that they started. It was an employee/employer relationship. Miss Lora owed Annie , nothing but her pay for her work

People love to play the race card, but it doesnt apply here....Annie cried for Miss Lora in the end, and Miss Lora was devastated in losing Annie, but again, Miss Lora had her own circle of friends, and they didnt include Annie or her circle of friends......
I think Miss Lora was a good employer and treated everyone the same in her house...Even Sarah Jane agreed when Miss Lora talked to her after she did that ' totin the crawdads for Miss Lora and her friends" routine in the living room

No, Miss Lora owed nothing to any of them, but in the end, it was apparant that she did hold Annie and Sarah Jane close in her heart....Sarah Jane was the tramp who left her poor momma alone, desertedd.......Miss Lora didnt desert Annie, Sarah Jane did............that is why she felt so guilty at the funeral......

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Firstly, Annie doesn't stay there for free. It's barter exchange. Room for her services. Lora would never have been able to achieve her goals without Annie's live-in assistance. You say that Lora owes her nothing. I'd argue she owes Annie her career.

And Annie was not simply an employee. She was a member of the family. Everyone else treated her as such. But for argument's sake, let's say she was. There is a big difference between an office employee & live-in help. Most people develop some degree of intimacy regarding staff that works within the home precisely because it is a more intimate setting. These people are privy to your lives. It's only natural their employers reciprocate. Nearly every other film I can think of that features a live-in employee relationship supports this. Bernard & Doris, Dolores Claiborne, Remains of The Day, etc.

And yet after ten years of living together, raising their children together, Lora's completely thrown off by the notion that Annie has a personal life or even friends. She has no idea that she attends church every Sunday or belongs to several lodges. Why? Because she's never asked. And she displays a similar narcissistic negligence where her Susie's concerned, one that, in fact, her daughter ultimately calls her to task for. It's all about her. Even Lora's words at Annie's deathbed, "Don't leave me!" made my eyes roll. I'm not unconvinced that Lora wouldn't have been quite so disinterested in Annie had she been white.

Finally, I think what truly underlies the Lora hate is the belief that while she gets the bulk of the screen time, it's not really her movie. It's Annie's & Sarah Jane's. Their story is the more compelling, but had it been the dominant plot or, god forbid, been told in & of itself, the film would not have been made in 1959. Or at least, would not have been seen by the people who really needed to see it. This movie was made for 2 million grossed 25 million. Compare that to the all-black Porgy & Bess (also 1959) which was made for 7 million & grossed only 3.5. This was standard fare for black movies which suffered financially in the American South, so much so, southern theaters often didn't bother to run them at all. Lora's subplot is a really just a camouflage to distract from issues that now, in a post-Civil rights environment, no longer need distraction & thus breeds resentment.


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remember ,who confronted Miss Lora at the beach that she had no place to go...I agree with what you are saying, but Miss Lora was the one who offered to put her up for the night. Annie was the one who ironed her clothes and finished mailing those personalized letters for her.......Miss Lora never expected Annie to do that

I think Annie has the means to be able to have her own place, but since Miss Lora was never around, and Annie was more of a mother to Suzie than Miss Lora, the arrangement was perfect for both of them

Sarah Jane and her need to be white took enough out on Annie . Annie was getting old and tired. Miss Lora was self absorbed, she didnt think about Suzie or any of her problems she had going on with Mike........

I just think everyone benefited in the movie, expect for Sarah Jane. I think it is a sad thing that Sarah Jane never showed any emotion towards her mother ,until the funeral.

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What you're essentially saying is that Annie went beyond the call of duty by ironing, mailing letters, & remaining in Meredith household long after she needed to in order to care for Lora's neglected child. Several more reasons why Annie should have been given more regard than she received.

And you admit Lora's too self-absorbed even to think of her own daughter. Too self-absorbed to grant consideration to anything other than her career & her love life. Yet another reason people don't like her. (I think you mean Steve, not Mike, btw.)

I wouldn't say that Sarah Jane showed no emotion toward her mother. She loved her but hated the second-class citizenship that came with being black in the 50s. she wanted a better life, & that life meant denying her mother. At the funeral, it's not that she begins loving her mother, but rather accepts her & her race.

It would seem as though you're pretty aware of all the reasons people don't like Lora, but simply don't agree. Fair enough.

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Well said. I didn't think of Lora's story being a distraction. Interesting thought. But I will say Lora did the best that she could by Annie considering that they were living in pre-civil right's era (the 50's).

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You're seriously comparing the relationships in modern, post-Civil Rights Movement movies with those of a 1950s movie? You do realize that modern attitudes are far--far-different from those in 1959, surely.

I also don't think you've had much contact with the kind of people who employ maids, either. Not knowing anything about the help is entirely likely with them. They rarely know about their help, even if the help lives with them.

Look, if you have a maid, you're usually too busy with your own life to notice the servants. You wouldn't have help if you had the time and energy to do it yourself, after all. What's really interesting is that the richer the employer is, the more they expect the help to be unobtrusive to the point of being almost faceless and anonymous, and guess how they end up being treated.

I grew up with maids, and I even had a real live Mammy when I was a child. The only one I ever knew anything about was my Mammy, and that was only because she was indeed more like a mother to me than my own mother. My working mother didn't know the things about her that I did.

Later, I knew nothing about the maids we hired to take care of our house, other than their names. I was too busy with school and my extracurricular activities to know anything more about them. Maybe--maybe--if I stayed home sick when they happened to be working, I'd learn something interesting, like how one of them liked to read True Confessions magazine when she took a coffee break. But that didn't happen very often. Usually, they gave nothing of themselves away to any of us, although they were perfectly nice and friendly whenever we did interact. The maids didn't hang around at the end of the day, socializing with us, either. When they finished their work, they went home. As much as we treated them like employees, they treated us like employers by breaking the sound barrier to get away from work as soon as their time was up, just like anyone else with a job does.

With my far wealthier friends who had live-in help, they didn't know much more about their maids than I did about mine. None of them ever ventured into the maid quarters at all, or even talked to them, other than to tell a maid not to disturb this or that, or to be sure to do this or that. In fact, one of them told me that her parents had a firm rule that if the maid went in her room and shut the door, she was not to be disturbed unless there was an emergency. Nearly all rich people and their live-in employees were firm that way about drawing the line between when the help was working, and when their time was their own, or there was nothing but trouble.

So on top of this employer/employee dynamic that is entirely realistic, throw in how Lora is an actress, with a career notorious for both its self-centeredness and its heavy time demands, then pile on the racial dimension of the film, made at its particular time--when black and white rarely associated outside of their required interactions, and Lora knowing nothing about her maid is more true to real life you realize. It's a shockingly honest moment in American film-making about how clueless the privileged can be.

I will guarantee you that everyone involved in this film knew someone who had said something similar about their help, at some point: No idea the servant had friends outside of the home, no idea the servant could paint or had read all of the novels of Dumas or what have you. This attitude was frightfully common in my youth during the 60s, and is still true through to today. I not only saw it happen more than once when I was growing up, but also was guilty of saying something like it when I saw the maid reading True Confessions.

That's how clueless people with maids can be.

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I was kind of shocked when that scene came up, where Lora's "surprised" to hear Annie has any friends (!) I wonder why they even put that scene in the movie, because it casts the heroine is such a weird light.

Annie provided housekeeping, cooking AND childcare for Lora. This is 3 seperate jobs, and different from just being someone's maid. She also kept a roof over Lora's head in the beginning, too, when she negotiated with the landlord to wait for the back rent.

I think if some people aren't so crazy about Lora, it's may be because Lana Turner simply doesn't appeal to everyone. She doesn't (to me, anyway) have the kind of great, scintilating charm in her personality that might distract you from the bare bones of Lora's actions. Turner is a little bit of a (beautiful) zombie. Her face doesn't move very much!

(And, Annie didn't have much of a fur, it was just a measley mink scarf.)

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Well another way Miss Lora shows employer/employee relations is when she ask Sara Jane about the Harkins boy who's father was a driver.
Based on that one would think Sara Jane should only go out with sons of drivers, butlers, cooks etc.

Another problem SJ looking white and going with a black guy, most people would think it was an interracial relationship which was just not done back then.
Trust me on that one I was 12 when IOL came out.



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I totally disagree with the notion of Miss Lora being a racist. She was self-absorbed and at times selfish, but that is in no way interchangeable with "racist". She was a flawed character, as each of the central characters were, but she was ultimately a good person living under the stress of being the head of a four person household. Her obliviousness to Annie having "friends" is not racial ambivalence, but can be more equated to a husband not knowing that his wife plays bridge.

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That's funny. I never used the word "racist." You only inferred it.



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Lora was self-absorbed and very career oriented, although she was aware enough of it she tried to be a better mother at times.

Her attitudes toward Annie would today seem patronizing, condescending and paternalistic, but for the standards of 1959 she was not really racist.

She never talked disrespectfully toward Annie, made her perform demeaning tasks, etc etc. The closest she came was making the comment that Sarah Jane should date the sons of butlers, waiters, etc etc.

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4) You ever seen Superman $#$# his pants? Case closed.

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How is that not racism? Racism is a very complicated pattern of thinking. It's not just rednecks in the woods wearing white hoods screaming the N word or overt mistreatment of minorities. Sometimes it can be on a very subconscious level like Lora. She considered Annie her best friend but she knew virtually nothing about her. How is that being a friend?

The difference between a lady and a flower girl is not how she behaves, but how she is treated.

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Wow, how wrong was I? Your statement just SCREAMS "I'm not a racist!"

The difference between a lady and a flower girl is not how she behaves, but how she is treated.

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Wow, you must be psychic because I was going to ask the lobotomy question about you? Listen troll, do you have anything valid or constructive to say that actually pertains to the film or are you going to subject me to your "I hate the PC police" whining? If not, be gone. I have grown up things to do, degenerate.

The difference between a lady and a flower girl is not how she behaves, but how she is treated.

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Bye bye, crazy guy!

The difference between a lady and a flower girl is not how she behaves, but how she is treated.

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I watched the movie today and really think its my favorite......Im really trying to understand everyones point of view
again, this applies to me, but for me, I know Miss Lora wasn't a racist. When Sara Jane pulls that crawdad act in front of Fellini, the italian director, Miss Lora confonts SJ in the kitchen

SJ tells Miss Lora " You dont know what it's like to be colored"

Miss Lora replied "Has anyone ever treated you diffent in this house"? Of which SJ says no, that " EVERYONES BEEN SO NICE"

Again, if youre a racist, as some think Miss Lora is, then why did she keep Annie and Sarah Jane there?

She had money , she could have hired new white help.....I will say Miss Lora was self absorbed and could care less about Suzy. Annie saved her big time. Annie was Suzys mom as well as SJs
I agree we can disagree on this ,but again, Miss Lora really was all about herself. She really meant well, esp in the beginning at the walk up flat........she became famous and sadly forgot where she came from.....Annie was my favorite in the whole movie.......she was the best

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Anyone else have any thoughts about Miss Lora? I just watched it again, and I keep staying tuned and aware of Miss Lora thru out the whole movie
I really didn't see how self absorbed Miss Lora was until that incident about Annie having friends.........she had no clue

But I remember Suzie being all pissed off about her mom " leaving as usual" to appear in a Felini movie in Italy, esp after she promised Suzy that she was going to stay at home and be a good mother

Thats what people are missing.........not only was she self absorbed about her career, she had a love life that was important to her as well......reallly, its ALL bout Miss Lora ,but Ialso want to say that Miss Lora was NO racist

And even Sarah Jane confirmed this, when she pulled that fetching crawdads for Miss Lora, the night Miss Lora had a few friends over , and SarahJane walked in the room with the tray over her head........

When Miss Lora had her talk about the incident, Miss Lora even asked Sarah if Anyone had ever treated her different, and SJ said, ' NO, ,you've been good to us"

So, there, thats from the horses mouth

Miss Lora was just a stair climbing movie star with no time for no one, not even Suzie or Steve......it was just all about her.........

again, this is my humble opinion.......

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I'm black and I totally agree with everything you said. Viewers should remember the time this movie was made in too. Had it been made today with a setting in the 2000's then yes she would be seen as a racist especially after making certain remarks. But Lora allowing her to live in her home, care for her daughter, and making sure she was well taken care of invalidate the accusations of her being a racist.

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sweet

thank you....again, Im not saying that Annie hated her job, she was fine with the job, it was just her ungrateful daughter Sarah Jane.......SJ was a very selfish , self absorbed , uncaring and ungrateful daughter. The whole movie pointed out that SJ had high hopes of being a star and ended up in strip joints , going out with losers..........remember when Annie showed up and pretended to be SJ mammie, according to the room mate of SJ?

I hope SJ is happy now, after all, I hold her personally responsible for killing her mother.......and don't let anyone kid you.......if SJ didnt kill her mother, then please explain to me that scene at the funeral

Guilt......yes, guilt with a capital G............

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'I hope SJ is happy now, after all, I hold her personally responsible for killing her mother.......and don't let anyone kid you.......if SJ didnt kill her mother, then please explain to me that scene at the funeral'
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NO, she didn't kill her mother, due to today's "blame all for one's woes". If Sj had been Mary Poppins and at her mothers beside for months, she still would have died. But it's more exciting to believe in subtext that doesn't exist.

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