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Question for non irish people who watched it


HI
im an irish girl and im doing a project for school so i was wondering if you could help me.
i would like to know if watching the movie affected your views of irish people at all.
for example did it make you think we all talk like that?
or that we all believe in leprechauns??
or we all lived in thatched cottages and drive horse drawn carriages??
thanks a mill, hope you can answer as soon as possible! (projects due tomorrow!!)

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Dear lianmc,
Sorry I'm too late for your school project, but I thought I'd respond anyway!

I saw this movie in 1969 when I was 7, and have loved it ever since! In fact it changed the course of my life! After Darby O'Gill, I decided to get in to movie making and had a fun career!

Now to your question:
Yes, this movie affected my view of the Irish! I thought the characters in the movie were fun, interesting people who loved life, and I was madly in love with the girl in the film! Now as an adult who has traveled to Ireland (and loved it!) I know that the movie stereotypes, but most movies do! In this case, I think it painted a very positive picture of the people of Ireland.

Specific answers (from a 7 year old's perspective):
Yes, I probably thought that the irish all talked like that,
No, Although most all of the "good" characters believed in leprechauns, I didn't think all irish people did.
No, I was already well traveled at 7, so I would have guessed that the movie was representing a small town in the past, not all of modern Ireland. I do love the small villages that are still mostly thatched cottages! I have an old friend in County Cavan and some family on Inishbofen, and they have lovely homes with thatched roofs!

Cheers!

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Dear MovieFreak4702- Some TV movies for families, Ewoks 2 (done by Lucas Film), Beastmaster, Dreamscape, a lot of low budget movies in the 1980's, etc. Quite a wide variety, which kept it fun! I also used to hang around the studios and sneak on to sets, just to watch and learn what I could. I am out of the industry by choice, raising a family which is hard to do when you are shooting 14 hour days, but I loved the crazy life while I did it! If you are truly passionate about making movies, go for it! It's a lot of work to get in to the business, and a lot of work to say in. If you have the passion, you won't mind the work, in fact, you will love it!

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Lian,

Yes and no. I am Irish-American and saw this movie at my mom's insistance when I was very young. She was aware of its faults (Disney is NOT well-known for its accuracy or depth, when telling stories that involve other cultures.) But she wanted to familiarize me with some of the old legends, using a medium that was on a child's level.

And no, it didn't affect my perceptions of Ireland NOW. ;) Just rural Ireland of the 19th century.

Now that I'm an adult and have become more familiar with my cultural roots, I'll say this. For all its flaws, "Darby" WAS better researched than the usual Disney treatment:

-In the original reel, Gaelic spoken in quite a few places (UPDATE: English was dubbed over this, in most later editings. Don't count on finding this version easily; I myself have only stumbled over one copy of it.)

Examples: When Darby gives a four-count before playing "The Fox Chase," he counts off "h-aon, do, tri, cathair--!"

When King Brian summons his henchman to get Darby an instrument, the exchange intially sounded something like this:

King Brian: Phádhraic Og! ("Patrick the Young!")

Leprechaun: Sea, a thiarna! ("Yes, my lord.")

King Brian: Dul faoi choinne ruda'n Stradoibharius.

(Or some phrase to that general effect, obviously meaning "go fetch the Stradivarius." I'm recreating some of it from really murky memory.)

Leprechaun: Glan díreach, a thiarna! ("Straightaway, my lord.")

There's at least three or four other instances of this. For Hollywood of the Cheesy Fifties, THAT WAS FRIGGING BRILLIANT. I wish they had left those bits in and not re-dubbed them in English.

It was one of the only Irish-themed movies of the period, which paid homage to ancient legends like Brian Boru, Fergus mac Lidir, Cormac of the shattering cup and Tara. OR featured Uillean pipes. Or a Trinity Harp. Or the joys of a little illicit poteen. ;) Including both the Cóiste-Bodhar and the Banshee, was also very "dark". Bold move for a kiddie-flick!

So, it wasn't perfect. And it contained some dreadful Hollywood stereotypes about the Irish.

But it wasn't a steaming pile of crap, either. ;)

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Of course it influenced how I thought about the Irish, although like the others that have responded, it was overall a very positive influence. I also saw the movie for the first time when I was very young - I'm guessing around the age of 7 as well. Of all the movies I saw as a child, it's one of the ones I remembered most, from the fun little people to the rather horrifying (at that age) appearance of the banshee and the coach. To this very day, the image of the banshee summoning the coach to come for Katey gives me shivers.

I'm an American of Irish ancestry, and I've always been fascinated by Irish culture. Like others have said, I never quite figured the Irish today were like those pictured in the film, but I must admit I always wished that a place like that existed once upon a time. I don't think I ever considered it to be an accurate depiction of the Irish, their culture, or folklore, but I did consider it a very well-done and *fun* depection of it. Even at the age of 7, I knew a movie was a movie and reality was something altogether different. That didn't stop me from chasing the end of the rainbow for pots o' gold, however.

I now own a copy of the movie on DvD, along with the Quiet Man and a few other old Irish-themed flicks. I am hoping to actually visit Ireland sometime in the next couple of years, both because I genuinely am fascinated by the culture, and because I'd like to see where my ancestors came from, and find out more about them if I can. I figure I owe at least part of that fascination for and desire to see the country to a movie I saw at the age of 7. The rest I blame on any lingering Irish blood I may still have.

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"ancient legends like Brian Boru"

Brian Boru wasn't a legend, he was an actual High King of ireland that conquered the vikings in the 11th century.

Republicans dont watch stand up, theyre busy watching cartoons, trying to see who's gay.

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Brian Boru was Ard-ri of Ireland, but the stories of him destroying the vikings are largely fictional. There is a legendary quality about him, much like Richard I to the English people.

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Thanks for clarifying that, Danger. :) More or less what I meant.

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I have never seen a dubbed version of the movie. All the lines that you quoted were said in Gaelic just like you wrote. Actually I'm glad you wrote the translations because although I could guess what was said, I wasn't sure.

As for the stereotypes. I really see no difference than when Hollywood depicts blacks, indians, Italians, or any other ethnic group. Some suffer more than others, blacks and American indians for example. In this movie I really see the Irish coming off in a rather positive light. It makes me wish that I could go to Ireland sometime.

NOW a warning?!?

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I am sorry I am SO late for this project, but to answer the question, it did affect my view of Irish people, it made me like them and respect them. I watched this movie, when I was about 9 and stuck home with the flu and temperature, and the graphics were terrific and I forgot about my temperature for a minute. It was a great experience, and I never saw it again, but I know it would take me back in time to when I was young and safe in my grandma's house. I would recommend this movie to anyone. And I have always thought Irish people were beautiful.

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i just took it as alot of different personalities(and in small towns you can usually find every one of them). it was just jam packed of fun! and no i don't think all irish people are like that, but i'm sure you can find a few. heck i find some who act just like the characters in the movie right here in texas!

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Do all americans have irish ancestory? Nearly all Americans i talked to when i was on a road trip in america claimed to have an ancestor who was on the mayflower (must have been a big boat) and one of our neighbours was an american who claimed to be irish, you should have seen the house... it was like a tribute to st. patrick.

I'm not meaning to slag off the people who have posted on this site but you must have noticed it too?

why drink and drive when you can smoke dope and fly

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Do all americans have irish ancestory?


Unlike bogus "Mayflower" claims, your neighbor probably had the right of it. A ***HUGE*** proportion of Americans are of Irish descent. :) Most of us have better taste than to flaunt it that obnoxiously though.

You have to remember a couple of things. When the Famine hit in the mid-19th century, those who didn't die had the choice between emigrating, or staying put. Choice#2 involved continuing to be oppressed by tithes, rents, low wages, poverty, religious discrimination, general second-class citizenry---AND, dealing with a government that had just demonstrated it would honestly prefer they drop dead, leaving the land free for development by more Anglo-friendly transplants.

A lot of Irish natives said *beep* that" and got on the nearest boat. This secondary effect of the Famine lasted at least 20 years. Between death and desertion, the whole country damn near depopulated.

Most of those evacuees came here. As a result, if the American-Irish (and for that matter the Canadian-Irish) don't currently outnumber the native Irish, I'd be truly shocked.

The reason a lot of Irish-Americans probably get maudlin and obsessive about that connection, is that the circumstances under which their ties to the homeland were cut, were so goddamned sad, wrong, and unfair. (Ex: St. Patrick's day was reinvented as a huge party-festival in the states, expressly because of Irish transplants who were deathly homesick.)

Believe me, that kind of trauma---anger even---gets deeply entrenched in family lore, and travels down across generations. One thing about Celts: they forget nothing.

Anyway I hope that answers your question. :)

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Also, the Irish (mainly in the olden days) would commonly have large families, and their children would have large families of their own resulting in a lot of Irish people. My grandparents both came from large families, then they had 13 children together. Today, they have over fifty descendants.

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at what point during the mass migration of the mid 19th century there were more irish in america than in ireland.

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Do all americans have irish ancestory?


Lol, since we most have mixed heritage, then many of us do have Irish ancestors! One of my great-grandmothers was a Murphy!

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Yes, a HUGE number of Americans have Irish ancestry, often mixed in with other national groups of course. Irish-Americans are probably one of the largest European ethnic groups here.

People get wistful about it, because often times the stories of having to leave Ireland (because of the Potato Famine or other problems) and start over as dirt-poor slum-dwellers in America has been passed down through the generations. Also, for many years after immigration, Irish-Americans retained their identity, because they were working-class Catholics, often growing up together in the same neighborhoods, in a predominantly Protestant society. So people might have more attachment to their Irish ancestry than to their other heritage.

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I'm about to watch this movie a day early for St. Patrick's Day, a holiday I've never really observed.

Many holidays in America just come up too early after Christmas and New Year's to focus upon.

Valentine's Day and I think St. Patrick's Day should be further in the year, like in summer or something. Especially Valentine's Day.

My heritage is nowhere near Irish, but I still enjoy movies that are good, fanciful or whatever, regardless of where they take place, tho to be fair, since I am half English, I do slant toward the English programs (tho not fond of Shakespeare, I'm afraid).

But I enjoy movies such as Darby O'Gill, Quiet Man and My Left Foot, and also like Mrs. Brown's Boys, watching them online. there really isn't that much difference I see between the two cultures, English and Irish, but I'll never say that to those of the full-blood set. Including mum. LOL!

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The film was from the sixties, set in a tiny country town and looked like it was probably set back in time to around turn of the century (century before last, that is). I think Ireland probably was a little like that, if you go back far enough.

People did really believe in Leprechauns once, they were no joking matter. People took them as seriously as some people now take ghosts, faith healing, psychics like John Edwards and alien abductions. Most of the stories about the little folk were warnings and lessons on how to protect yourself from their shenanigans (sorry, couldn't resist).

I was really surprised that a disney film treated another culture with that degree of accuracy and respect. Plus I was watching the english dubb, I didn't even know about the gaelic it had in the original. I mean hell, it wasn't a treatise on comparitive mythology but for a disney film it was a breath of fresh air. Certainly better than Hercules.

P.S. Can't remember who was asking, but a lot of people have Irish ancestry. America was a penal colony for a bit and the English liked arresting Irish people. It was their third favourite activity in those days. Plus a lot of Irish people emigrated elsewhere during the potato famine or periods of british colonialism. I have Irish ancestry (one of my great grandfathers), it's really not that rare. As for the whole being on the mayflower bit... well, I wouldn't be surprised if people were making that up.

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I remember I met an apache in my local pub and he told me he was Irish. True bill.

I...am an enchanter. There are some who call me...Tim.

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I am American, and saw the film at age 7 or 8, when it of course both delighted and terrified me. I thought being Irish must be the coolest thing ever, since they lived in such a beatiful place (later, I learned it was shot in the San Fernando Valley, with glass-shots and matte paintings filling in the hills and ruins that didn't actually exist.) I also was in love with Janet Munro.

It wasn't until decades later that I was pleased to learn, via genealogy, that I am in fact 1/32nd Irish. So perhaps I'll see the little people some day. ;-)

Lawrence Edward Watkin wrote a wonderful screenplay from the Kavanagh stories. I'm not sure which of them contributed such gems as, "ah, yer heart's as cold as a wet Christmas," or "Oh, he's proud as a whitewashed pig," but the script exhibited a genuine delight in language that was rare in films then, and rarer still today.

The other thing that is great about the movie is Oliver Wallace's wonderful score. If he wasn't Irish, he should have been.

One practical effect was that a literature loving great-aunt, knowing how much I'd enjoyed the film, sent me W. B. Yeats' Irish Folk and Fairy Tales, which I read for years. It was my Harry Potter.

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There are Irish people in the movie?

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I think the real issue here is that that poor girl had a school project due on a Sunday.

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Well spotted! Perhaps it's a boarding school...






Born when she kissed me, died when she left me, lived whilst she loved me

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It's also possible she was in a different time zone and it could have been Sunday when she wrote it although it was dated on a Saturday where we received it.

Life, every now and then, behaves as though it had seen too many bad movies

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Yes, I think the Irish live in quaint cottages amid emerald fields and have to hide their pots of gold coins from the leprechauns. Do you believe all Americans are cowboys and cowgirls and live on the open range?

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