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Observations Regarding Writing + Plot of this Movie


I just watched this film for the first time and enjoyed it but I had certain questions and observations that came to mind that had to do with certain areas of writing or not fleshing out the story where I had questions.

I was disapointed that Eric never finds out who his father and brother are as well as his father not finding out Eric was his son before he died. Morgana is the one who reveals to Einar at the end that Eric is his brother yet he seems to think she is lying. The only reaction he has is during the fight with Eric before he is killed he hesitates and is thus killed by Eric. Eric then asks Morgana why he hesitated. She never answers. I expected her to say he is your brother. I wondered why at that moment that Einar even considers that he could be his brother based just on what she said.

I couldn't help but have a natural curiosity how they all would have felt or reacted had they known they were of the same blood. Eric doesn't even know this is his father he is sending to his death when Ragmar goes into the wolf pit. The only consolation the writing gave here is that Eric being raised by the Vikings does allow Ragmar the right to die with his sword which is their custom.

Earlier the character of Egbert asks Eric if he knew anything about the stone around his neck to which he doesn't. Egbert gives the impression he is going to tell him at some point what it meant yet he never did and I felt that plot point was missed fleshing out.

Also I think I have forgotten but I think that the Vikings kidnapped Eric as a baby from a ship and made him a slave. So does this mean he never made it to Italy where the priest told his mother they were sending him to be safe, maybe he was enroute when he was kidnapped. How interesting that it would be his own father and that group of people who would be the ones to kidnap him if so. I don't think it ever alludes his background upbringing but I thought wow he sure knows how to communicate with a Hawk as well as fight with a sword to have been raised by Barbarians. I didnt' think they allowed their slaves to learn that kind of fighting combat.

I found it kind of humourous that both Eric and Einar claim to have fallen in love with Morgana at the very sight of her, well in Eric's case he said before he ever saw her. Einar didn't even strike me as having the capability of loving someone.

Early on in the film right at the beginning when the Vikings are attacking, it is Ragmar that comes into the King's room and kills him as well as rapes the queen. What I had wondered is where is this taking place for it was not in the castle where I would think the King would be safely protected or locked in a room more difficult to enter yet Ragmar appears to bust into what appears to be a tent for he opens it and you can see the outside with smoke.

What was sort of humorous is that this king is apparently not much of a fighter. He has a sword but he sure was terrible at using it. He holds it up so high giving an open area for Ragmar to kill him. But Ragar just pushes him back where he falls and then Ragmar appears to attack him with a hatchet. He gets in one hit and is on his 2nd hit when the queen screams and tries to run but Ragmar turns quickly to grab her. I really thought that scene was not well done.

Also the entire scene where the Vikings are enroute to their attack takes forever. There is a very long period of time of no dialogue at all just them sailing and getting there. I felt this could have been shorter and some of those other things fleshed out more.

I just wondered if anyone else had thought of these things or had curiosities about them.

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I, for one, dislike movies that try to fill in every blank, but this one makes it fairly clear that a lot of the things you miss are happening offscreen.

1. The main reason that we don't see Morgana answer Eric's question, "why did he hesitate?" at the end of the battle is because that would have ruined the power of the climactic scene by turning our attention from Einar's sacrifice to Eric's emotional response to it. That was Einar's triumph, not Eric's (and producer Kirk Douglas's big scene, not Tony Curtis's). Moreover, a response was unnecessary because WE knew the answer that Eric would surely learn. Of course Morgana (who also knows about the stone) tells Eric about his heritage after the battle. She had told Einar, so why wouldn't she tell the man she loves who and what he is? Despite being the right thing to do, it would also give her everything she wants for him and for herself by elevating his status in both the Viking and English cultures. The movie makes it clear that this is precisely what has happened. In the final scene, it is Eric who commands that the raiders prepare "a funeral for a Viking," suggesting his acceptance as a leader and as a suitable match for the Princess Morgana, something unlikely for a former slave no matter how great his prowess in battle.

2. From my first viewing as a kid, I always felt that Ragnar recognized something in the brief pause after Eric had given him the sword before he jumped into the wolf pit. He certainly stares a good while at his erstwhile son while developing a literal glint in his eyes. Ragnar could have just been grateful for the opportunity to die a Viking death and enter Valhalla, or he could have been acknowledging Eric's worth as a fellow Viking, but I always perceived it as more than that, that Ragnar suddenly saw something of himself in Eric's face. In any event, that pause was there for a reason.

3. As for the kidnapping of baby Eric that brings him to his father's court, that kind of coincidence is one of the oldest plot devices in romantic fiction, preceding Hollywood by centuries. Indeed, one of the most common tropes in "comedy" is the doomed and forbidden love between an aristocrat and a commoner that is suddenly resolved when the commoner (usually the woman) is revealed to be a lost noble. Far from a weakness, this element connects the movie with the traditional lore of the very time it depicts.

4. Another traditional element of the hidden noble trope is the idea that the aristocrat will naturally exhibit the qualities of his superior nature. This theme dates back to Greek mythology in which semi-divine characters like Jason and Perseus are raised as shepherds or farmers yet prove to be the greatest heroes in the land when unexpectedly called into action. So it's no surprise that the untrained slave Eric is mysteriously adept at falconry, swordplay, charm, and even leadership. In fact, it is Eric and not Einar who appears to mastermind the invasion planning, and Eric seems the more intelligent and less impulsive commander, probably because of his more "civilized" English half.

5. In the opening scene of the movie, Ragnar's attack has obviously caught the royal party while it was travelling and overcome the sentries and whatever other defenses were protecting the King. The King and his retinue may have been on a hunting expedition, on their way to visit some other noble familty, or simply moving between different estates of their own. Such royal "camping trips" with the kind of tents and baggage shown are another typical image of traditional literature as well as actual history. For example, this kind of thing occurs constantly in Arthurian legends.

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Thank you for the enlightened reply. It was my first time seeing the film so I appreciate the answers and better understanding of what was happening.

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To cluvon:

I think you would benefit from a bit more experience with film and literature. I'm not being snide, here, I'm serious. The answers given by tehck you would have answered yourself had you been more artistically 'adept.'

To tehck:

Point 1,
Couldn't have said it better.


Point 2,
Yes, definitely. And just to solidify, no, it wasn't that Ragnar was 'just being greatful'. It was a hint of recognition.


Point 3,

I agree, and how great of Fleischer and the writers to not hit you over the head with it. Subtlety, man. It's what makes truly great art.


Point 4,

That is the only point that cluvon can be make regarding 'weakness' in the film. But even then, your argument, tehck, is a valid one, although I would have had something, however small, in there for some justification. Recall the line, "If he was fathered by a black ram . . ."


Point 5,

Well said, tehck.


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well I'm usually a very observant person and maybe since it was my first time seeing it I just didn't catch everything and needed to see it a second time. I have had a love for movies, TV and theater for a long time and have even acted in over 20 productions myself, so it probably was just from one viewing and not catching all that.

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Well, cluvonj, please understand, not to brag here, but I see movies over and over and over agiain. I've seen The Vikings dozens of times . . . literally! I'm sure I didn't catch all the above the first time I saw it as well.

Good yo hear of your film-loving enthusiasm. Same here, wanted to be an actor once, many years ago, did some plays, got disenchanted with it, then turned to other things.

Keep watching and critiquing.
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