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Vertigo in 4K is Not Perfect, but Good


"... not an easy film to bring to Blu-ray.

Scanning the original VistaVision negative gives you proper grain and resolution. And that's about it.

Fully exposed shots, are far less problematic than the thinner shots, which are horribly faded.

When we did our restoration back in 1996 or so, all that we had to work with were a faded original negative, heavily shrunken separation masters, and magnetic dupes from the original tracks. All of the stems had been junked (not by Universal) long before. While we had discovered the original music floor recordings in Paramount's vaults, everything else had to come come optical positives.

The general desire was to use the stereo music and re-mix it, but with what? New effects and Foley had to be created from scratch, and to be honest, studio politics took front position when it came to the use of newly created elements. We were not happy with the final results.

The majority of those problems, have been far better dealt with here.

We were able to create 65mm dupe from a newly struck VVLA IP, in varying densities, and processed in differing ways, in order to bring back acceptable color to most of the film.

Now, with digital technology, and via a process that we proved could work, and perfected over a five year period, anything can be done, with the requisite elements, to bring a film back to the way that it appeared on day one.

Those early tests, which came after Vertigo, helped to solve problems in Rear Window. Used today, they could have made Vertigo perfect.

But what most of you want to know is if there are major problems. Is the Blu-ray a pleasurable experience to watch?

Toward full transparency, I will offer than I've been pleased to have been consulted on the project, and I firmly believe that within financial parameters, Universal has taken the project as far as it can go. The technical execs at Universal very much want this, and the rest of the Hitchcock Blu-ray collection to be as perfect as possible. But in the corporate world, things aren't always as easy as just doing it. Budgets, and financial realities must come to the fore.

Is the Blu-ray of Vertigo perfect? No.

Is it horribly problematic?

Absolutely not.

My bet would be, that those getting caught up in the film, which would be my expectation, wouldn't be noticing the problems, and if they did, they may not register as such.

Here's a breakdown.

Generally, any sequences that are fully exposed have been dealt with via digital color, and the final results are superb. That accounts for probably 90% of the film.

The problems are in dupes -- the shot in the museum, going from Ms. Novak's hair to the portrait -- the color of which is incorrect, and without further technical support, uncorrectable.

And in faded shots. Several shots of Mr. Stewart and the police officer on the rooftop in the opening don't answer back color-wise, and could have.

A thin sequence in Barbara Bel Geddes car needs help.

A single problematic shot of Mr. Stewart at Carlotta's grave after his release from the hospital, exhibits extreme fade at the top of the frame. For our version, without digital tools, we were forced to go to separations, which ran out of register.

The ride to the mission at the end of the film, has problems with black levels and skin tones, and as handled, there is no way it could not.

Probably the most problematic, are the final interior shots in the mission tower, again with poor black levels and improper flesh tones. Apparent fade across the center of the negative, also yields an unpleasant transparency to the sequence.

But let's go to facts.

I notice this, as I'm attuned to the film.

I'm certain that Mr. Kimmel will take note, as he's also used to viewing original prints.

Jeffrey Wells (Hollywood Elsewhere ) will be pleased, as Mr. Stewart's suit is properly brown, and not aubergine.

But very few people will be distressed by any of this, and while I would truly like to see this film restored accurately, it's not about to happen at this time. Unfortunately, the elements will continue to evolve, and not in a positive way.

The bottom line here is that almost all of the film looks, and sounds, terrific.

I was considering posting frames to show what the Blu-ray should look like as opposed to what it does, but I see neither the need, nor anything positive coming out of it.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that Universal tried very hard to make this right. They agreed to take suggestions until after the end, and I have nothing but respect for the final result.

I believe I have a reasonably good handle on the mindset of the Blu-ray collecting public, and my feeling is that very few will be displeased with this release.

Is it perfect?

No.

But it's generally beautiful and a major attempt has been made toward accuracy.

That's fair. Surely.

Recommended.

Image - 4

Audio - 4.5"

Robert Harris, Archivist

http://tiny.cc/nh8pty

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It's unbelievable how the tech fanboys, more commonly known as the movie buffs and most realistically fanboys, have truly destroyed film for the rest of us true film lovers. It is thanks to moronic dribble like the original writer of this article that we have to deal with teal and orange, grain reduction, changes, adulterations, bad restorations, etc, they just can't let things be and they literally know shit.

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they just can't let things be
Top restoration guys like Harris are mostly called in when there *is* no canonical version still around, negatives have deteriorated and are getting worse, and so on. Just standing pat in the present isn't normally an option, and surely isn't with Vertigo. Deprecating Harris as some sort of tech-crazed philistine is absurd. Most people alive today know Vertigo through Harris's revelatory though not without controversy (esp. on the sound side) mid-'90s restoration, and his whole note here is about improvements since that baseline and work still to be done. That's called 'being thoughtful and constructive' and is the opposite of 'moronic dribble'.

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Sadly, I agree that there is no canonical version around anymore. It seems AH didn't understand film archival (who did?) that he almost destroyed all of his prized work. What I was hoping for was a 4K or 70 mm version with AH's mono soundtrack, but don't think the mono soundtrack is available anymore. Thus, we have to live with the Harris and Katz's redoing the soundtrack in stereo and adding the Foley sounds effects. The best versions to watch at theaters (if they come to your area) are the 70 mm version with the Harris and Katz DTS stereo sound or the 4K scanned version with Harris and Katz stereo sound. As for home theater, there is the 2008 Vertigo DVD release (Universal Legacy Series) which is "supposed" to contain AH's mono mix, but it doesn't according to one informed purchaser. Thus, the only Vertigo with the AH's mono soundtrack as an option is the Blu-Ray Alfred Hitchcock: The Masterpiece Collection from another informed purchaser.

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Too much ignorance here. This isn't about being a techie, but film restoration. The OP is by one of the restorers and he talks about what he and his partner did. I have no problem with most of the visual restoration and how much they worked to get the colors right. The look for the most part is good. Even then, there are a few key parts of the film that came out too dark.

The big deal is Harris and Katz made a decision to scrap AH's mono soundtrack and work in the stereo tracks that they found by Bernard Hermann. In addition to this, they had to re-create the sounds in the film by using liner notes. This changed the entire original soundtrack, so that it's not faithful to what AH recorded. The soundtrack isn't the same. It's like what sound mixers do to original mono recordings today. They highlight the bass and emphasize the dynamic range and turn it into stereo. Great if you want to hear booming sounds in a car, but not like it was originally.

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it just shouldn't be touched.

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