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The transforming of Judy...


...way too much screen time spent on this. Just my opinion.

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There's never too much time in good movies. It all adds to the world it creates. In this case, I could completely empathize with Scottys deep pain about Marilyns loss and him wanting to make somebody else atleast remind him a bit of her. It wouldnt happen in real life in one scene either, because nobody would get all the details perfect so quickly.

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You must mean Madeleine . . . however, you're right "there's never too much time in good movies . . . "

Your right he does want Madeleine . . . though, no, that whole sequence has nothing to do with that . . . he's slowly transforming Judy into Madeleine so it'll be easier for her to confess . . . which he knows she will do (and does, in the tower) . . . he had to solve the case, but he had to take his time with Judy--his only link in getting Elster . . .

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That sequence is why Hitchcock revealed the twist halfway through the film, not at the denouement.


If we didn't know what Judy had been up to during the first half, it's have been boring. But since we do, we can see that Judy is wracked with guilt and fear throughout, but she goes along with it out of guilt, feeling trapped... and love. She's desperately hoping that if she stays with him he will start to see the real Judy, and love her and maybe even forgive her. It's both twisted and heartbreaking.



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Your right he does want Madeleine . . . though, no, that whole sequence has nothing to do with that . . . he's slowly transforming Judy into Madeleine so it'll be easier for her to confess . . . which he knows she will do (and does, in the tower) . . . he had to solve the case, but he had to take his time with Judy--his only link in getting Elster . . .


Don't think so. Up until the point when he sees the necklace, he has no idea that Judy is (or who he believed was) Madeleine. He's recreating Madeleine ...because he's obsessed with her and Judy reminds him of a coarser version of Madeleine, someone he can shape into his obsession. Once he sees the necklace and realizes she was a part of Elster's plot, his fixation is shattered. Scotty then turns quite cruel towards Judy.

This has to be Hitchcock's most personal film because he Madeleine-ized all of his blonde leading ladies. Eva Marie Saint has talked about how Hitch took her to New York to shop for outfits for her to wear in North by Northwest, reenacting the scene where Scotty takes Judy shopping. Think of how twisted Hitchcock would have been.... if he didn't have the art of cinema to help exorcize his demons.

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This movie could have been edited down.

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Just thought of this:

Is it a coincidence that when Hitchcock was making VERTIGO, the big stage hit of the time was MY FAIR LADY, where a repressed man tries to turn a "low-class" girl into his notion of the ideal woman? ( Or did the original French story predate MY FAIR LADY?)

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Not sure of the French story but Pygmalion, the Shaw play MFL is based on was written decades earlier.

And conincidentally, Tom Helmore replaced Rex Harrison on Broadway in MFL.

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An ancient theme? Shaw's 1913 play ''Pygmalion'' had been preceded by Du Maurier's 1894 novel ''Trilby'', in which a working girl is transformed by the evil genius Svengali into a diva.

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One could also cite the 1881 opera ''Tales of Hoffmann'', where the naive Hoffmann falls in love with the beautiful performer Olympia, who is in fact a robot created by the evil genius Spalanzani. The tale comes from the 1816 book ''Der Sandmann''.

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Interestingly, Tom Helmore took over the role of Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady on Broadway in 1958.

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