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I'd like to hear him explaining to the police


"It's not a pattern officer. I only forced this one up there for my therapy. It's not my fault she couldn't handle it." I just hope he gets the same judge as the first time.

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Interesting observation melinda, could he be charged for "involuntary manslaughter" ? At least the nun can testify that he did not push her, but that there was an argument and he appeared to be forcing her in some way. Scotty serving a short prison sentence after all that...there is a switch !

RSGRE

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Involuntary manslaughter should be the lightest charge. Remember too that just a moment before he had thrown her against the wall right next to the window, so I'd add aggravated assault, reckless endangerment, and something about taking the law into his own hands. Oh, and kidnapping too since he drove her out there under false pretenses and dragged her from the car. No means no. I'm not really interested in what he might or might not get away with if he lies. That's not the point. If he wants any chance of living with himself after this, he needs to come clean and probably do some time too. Midge won't be able to fix him and should find some healthier, less needy/self-focused friends anyway.

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Wow...that transfers all the fantasy into the light of day and harsh reality, very good melinda. I always did say, that analyzed objectively, Vertigo is really just about the character of John "Scotty" Ferguson, a man who appears to be so normal at first glance, but is actually a lonely insecure bachelor, possibly asexual, with deep perversions lurking just below the surface. That is why the film starts with him and ends only with him. Hitchcock's personal view of certain segments of manhood maybe?

RSGRE

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Yes, I can certainly be a killjoy, can't I? :-)

I don't know about Hitchcock's view of the sexes but it's not uncommon for a lot of writers to have difficulty giving depth to their characters of the opposite gender. In this case I think you have it exactly right. Scotty is certainly a deeply flawed individual, with vertigo being the least of his problems. Then again we don't come to Hitchcock for relationship advice! :-)

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Not a killjoy, instead a much needed reality check. Many viewers just enjoy the fantasy trip of the film, without noticing the deep, dark implications of all this, and the deeply flawed characters. Hitchcock's sneaky personal film !

RSGRE


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Not a killjoy, instead a much needed reality check. Many viewers just enjoy the fantasy trip of the film, without noticing the deep, dark implications of all this


This is a movie about a man whose life is destroyed by his obsession with a woman. It's a bleak, depressing character piece, and I can't imagine any viewer in their right mind thinking this a "fantasy trip".

and what "reality check"? That he would be arrested? How is that in any way relevant? Whether he sits in a jail cell or at home, he's finished. If his psyche was nearly destroyed before, it's beyond repair at film's end. It really does not make a difference if he would end up in jail or not.

But even if this were some escapist fantasy, why would anyone need a "reality check"? That's stupid and negates the point. No one would watch such a film for realism.

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You forget that Scotty is a retired police officer - the local cops know he didn't deliberately kill her, so charges will be filed.

It's unlikely that charges would be filed if the nun had seen him shove her out the window.


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You think cops are less likely to murder than the general population? I think you have it backwards. Regardless, there's still the kidnapping, assault, and reckless endangerment that preceded her death, in addition to the nearly identical incident he had been involved in. Like I said, I'd love to hear him trying to explain what happened.

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I know what some cops are capable of, honey, and I also now they like to protect their own. Especially when it comes to accusations of anything resembling domestic violence, I hear, such as an argument with a girlfriend that ends with a fatal accident.

Some other guy would find himself in deep trouble over that incident, but a retired cop wouldn't even hear a harsh word.



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So you think the police would say "Dude, it's fine to slap your women around but next time try not to let them die because it makes us look bad"? That's pretty depressing.

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It's so typical of our artistically starving age to push for criminal prosecution based on victimizing women in what is an existential male tragedy - manipulated by a woman.

"You couldn't be much further from the truth" - several

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Stop victimizing us and we'll stop prosecuting you, so take your tragic male existence and howl at the wind instead.

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You are making the woman into a victim in your reading of Vertigo. Not me.

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I always thought he jumps right after her and kills himself. Don't think he'd have any contact with the police after that.

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This movie is just full of insane plotholes.

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"This movie is just full of insane plotholes".

How is this comment in any way relevant to the topic of the thread?



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The OP is talking about a plothole in the movie, I think it's relevant.

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No she's not; she's not even talking about anything that happens in the movie, but rather speculating what might occur afterwards.



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