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Creeeeeeepy... *SPOILERS*


Let me preface this by saying that I think Alfred Hitchcock is one of the greatest directors of all time and I generally love his films. That being said, Vertigo is definitely my least favorite Hitchcock film that I have seen so far (and I have seen a bunch of new ones lately, I have been on a Hitchcock tear). The reason is simple: James Stewart as "Scottie" Ferguson is the creepiest AND most unsympathetic protagonist I have seen in a Hitchcock movie so far.

First of all, he for all intents and purposes seduces his friend's wife. The fact that she really isn't in the end is not important because she originally is in his mind. What a dick move. Then, after she supposedly dies, he harasses a woman he just met that resembles her into dating him and then bullies her into changing her whole appearance to match that of the "dead" woman. The fact that his suspicions about her identity are correct and she is willing to go along with it is immaterial. This dude is a creep. Worse even than Norman Bates from Psycho. I get the feeling that he would at least be civil to a girl on a date... well, at least until he took her home to meet Mother.

And I think the blame for this rests with James Stewart, who just didn't have the acting chops to pull of this character, who should have been portrayed as obsessed and neurotic but still sympathetic. Marlon Brando or Gregory Peck would both have been better choices to play this character.

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Worse than Norman Bates?

First off, I think Jimmy Stewart is wonderful in this. Marlon Brando would have radiated too much sexual energy for this story: Scotty's fixation is romantic and idealized not sexual. Gregory Peck (except for Atticus Finch) was pretty cold on screen. I think Jimmy Stewart has a natural likeability that makes Scotty's fixation less creepy. Audiences are willing to go along (to a certain extent) with him on his quest. It is only when he sees the necklace and realizes Judy and Elster used him as a patsy, that he becomes quite cruel.

A number of Hitchcock's romantic male leads are not exactly warm and fuzzy. Remember how mean Cary Grant was to Ingrid Bergman in Notorious? He ropes her into spying, practically throws her at Claude Rains, and then is bitter when she entertains Rains' marriage proposal. Hitchcock's male leads are not to be romantically betrayed!! Also, Cary Grant is pretty cool, if not mean, to Grace Kelly through much of To Catch a Thief. She's on to him as the Cat Burgler (which he had been at one time), and is a strong woman with great sexual confidence, and while he's attracted to her, he really is resistant to her, too. I think, although I'm not a psychologist, that Hitchcock suffered from a Virgin/Whore Complex in how he viewed women, and it's interesting to see how he was able to work through his own hang ups and romantic fantasies in his movies.

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Grant was a burglar, true, but he wasn't 'the Cat.'

For me that's another one with an age difference problem but Grant manages to swing it better somehow.

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Oops, I guess I need to see To Catch a Thief again. I thought John Robie (Grant) had been a Cat Burgler until his retirement, while Danielle was the New Cat Burgler, imitating him..

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Yes, you're right, I'm wrong. My apologies. Danielle was the new cat, imitating him. I remembered it wrong, not you. I didn't think that was his nickname too.

I'm sorry.

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No need to apologize. I edited my post to make it clearer. I really want to see To Catch a Thief again. Great escapist fun.

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Usually I roll my eyeballs very hard when I see someone say a man in an old film wasn't behaving properly, but this timd I agree. This is one of the problems I have connecting with Vertigo in the way I expected to, considering I love Hitchcock, suspense, stories about doubles, and opportunities to think about deeper human questions in relation to a story.

Now I've only seen it twice but I just don't find Stewart as compelling as most. Or Novak for that matter. I agree that Stewart is a creep for the reasons you mentioned but also because of how he treats Midge.

I also think, as Hitch himself speculated, that Stewart is too old for the role. But more importantly he's too square. Jimmy Stewart is just not as cool as, say, Cary Grant. His pants are up to his moobs, for crying out loud.

Do I think it's overrated? Yes. I will keep trying to get it though. Maybe the BFI book will help. The more I think about it, the less I care for it. Which is blowing my mind a bit because the first time I saw it I loved it.

As for Kim, she just doesn't do it for me. I'm a gay man so it's not sexual. She just isn't fun to watch. Maybe it's the characters.

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His pants are up to his moobs, for crying out loud.

I'll never be able to un-read that line.

Okay. Hollywood is remaking everything. Suppose they remake Vertigo. Let's cast the movie. Who should play Scotty? Judy? Midge?

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Let's see. I'm terrible at casting, but here's proof I at least tried.

I would say Charlize Theron for Novak's role. She can do the jawdropping glamour of Madeleine and the character work of Judy. Theron does kind of lack that broken vibe Novak gives off, though.

For Stewart's role, I think Christian Bale or Daniel Day Lewis both could easily portay the increasingly obsessed Scotty but since I feel like they both get out of bed increasingly obsessed, I would cast Edward Norton. He can play the sympathetic, sweet everyman and the neurotic both.

For some reason Midge reminds me of a young Dianne Wiest. I would cast someone like Jennifer Lawrence. I see her as a more girl-next-door than Hollywood seems to. Midge was cute and smart, though. Hmm. I don't know. I need my Midge still!

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Jennifer Lawrence would be great as Midge. Or not as big of a star: Martha Plimpton.

Also, how about if Charlize plays Madeleine, Judy AND Midge? She hasn't had a real acting challenge in awhile.

Daniel Day-Lewis as Scotty: that suggestion sent my imagination running.

Also, how about Aidan Turner as Scotty? We could soften his gorgeousness by giving him ..... Jimmy Stewart's pants up to his man boobs.

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Charlize Theron is a perfect stand-in for Kim Novak in Vertigo.

Well done!

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Yeah, Charlize could be fanTAStic in that role, although it would probably eliminate the age difference between the main characters. I know some people ed hate it in n the original, but I think it works to have a protagonist who's at the age when straight men literally lose their minds over younger wonen.

Of course I'll scream and rant and send bomb threats to any studio that tries to remake this, some films just shouldn't be remade. "Vertigo" has a unique magic that makes it great, and which can't be replicated.

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His pants are up to his moobs, for crying out loud.


Catty gays were built to deliver lines like that 👏🏻

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I agree that Stewart is a creep for the reasons you mentioned but also because of how he treats Midge.

Boy, I don't remember him treating Midge badly. Refresh my memory.

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He isnt cruel or abusive, he's just thoughtless, takes her totally for granted, and ignores her feelings. He expects her to cater to him, and gives her nothing in return.

It's such a relief when she throws in the towel! And I've always been glad that Hitch as cramped the original ending, which shows her back with Scotty, who th otally doesn't deserve her.

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He was certainly an obsessive individual, but regardless of how modern rom coms choose to idealize love as a concept for us, romantic love tends to always be driven largely by lust. Whenever we think of a desirable partner we have in mind, the first notable thing we picture is always their looks. Granted, most of us are smart enough to know that there are other attributes needed to maintain a long-term, successful relationship but on our most basic, primordial level, we just want to fuck.

Jimmie Stewart's character in this is just a more extreme example of that. He's a man obsessed with recreating the image of a lost love, in the hope that he would be able to recreate those same feelings he felt upon being with Madeleine. As much as people tend to find this behavior creepy and gross, it's actually nowhere near as uncommon as people think. People do desperate things to cling on to their memory of a lost love all the time. It isn't healthy, but it isn't abnormal either.

This movie is simply honest in how it chooses to portray that love can just as easily turn a sane, rational individual into a hopeless, psychological wreck as it can bring about joy and happiness. For every man and woman happily in love together, there are about 20 or 30 out there that are just like Scottie, pining for lost love.

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