THE TEACHER! I could not stand her. She ran hot and cold....more like fridgid! At times, I just could`nt see what Frank Sinatra`s character saw in her.
I just saw this film again, for the third time last night on TCM. I love it. Very compelling.
I agree. Martha Hyer, who played her, always came across like that. I think "wooden" is the term you're looking for; she's that way in "The Sons of Katie Elder." Apparently, Hyer campaigned heavily for her Oscar Nomination and got one, but didn't win.
It's spelled "Definitely."
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She's like that in almost every film she made.So are Dana Wynter & Barbara Rush. I think they all went to the same acting school.
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yes she seemed to play that kind of part alot,but one film she wasn't was the Chase in which she was "kinda tight".
shareI agree for the most part that Ms. Hyer's acting could be a bit wooden; she could surprise viewers, however. I like her performance in this film.
shareShe ran hot and cold....more like fridgid!
The amount of misogyny that exists in the world is stunning. So a woman is frigid for being three-dimensional...wow!
At times, I just could`nt see what Frank Sinatra`s character saw in her.
As if Sinatra's character is some kind of knight-in-shining-armour for him to have standards. Besides Sinatra doesn't love with her, he find her his intellectual equal and that both attracts and repulses him. Women in that time period weren't expected to be or accepted as intellectual equals by men which is why there's a conflict in that relationship, she admires him as an artist and loves his books but can't make head or tails of the man who wrote them. She had an image of Dave Hirsh from his books that the real Mr. Hirsh doesn't fulfill. And she's also an individual who doesn't want to be used as a sexual outlet by Hirsh.
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Thank you.
Fasten your seatbelts.... It's going to be a bumpy night!
Wooden is the perfect description. I did NOT like the character, nor the actress playing her. The character, I believe, was supposed to have this this holier than thou attitude, but came off with no feelings whatsoever.
I'm guessing it was her pretty face that got her in the door for acting? It wasn't talent, I'm sure of that.
I also didn't like the character. How about that "reputation" comment, eh? Ouch. That was completely uncalled for.
I agree, that remark was mean, especially since Ginny's demeanor during her visit was humble and sincere. That the teacher should make that remark showed us one of her primary character flaws, for all her high falootin' morality, she had an unkind heart, not the high moral women she pretended to be, as immorality isn't only about having easy virtue.
I saw the teacher at the funeral, and I hope Frank's character (whose name I forgot for now) saw that the teacher wasn't much of a catch after all and steered clear of her.
You know she'd never relax or let him forget who he was or where he came from and that she'd throw it in his face during every fight.
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She was wonderful in the part. Gwen was the kind of girl a lot of guys would look for in a wife. Beauty, brains, fine up bringing. Real class. Martha Hyer was perfect for the part. I think Dave saw in Gwen all those things that he never found in the bar girls he usually hooked up with and marrying her would also bring him up in social standing as an equal to his very successful brother.
Of course Gwen was hot and cold. She was a spinster who had great repressed sexual feelings and Dave brought that part out of her and she was frightened by it.
For her, true love had so many conditions to be satisified that it was doomed to failure with a guy like Dave and his lifestyle. In many ways I feel she and Bama were very much alike in that he also put conditions on true love and thought Dave marrying Ginny was a terrible thing to do since on the social strata she was as low as you get.
Ok mike.... All I think that this gal needed was a man who could surpass the design of her father's kitchen.
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mike-848 says > She was wonderful in the part. Gwen was the kind of girl a lot of guys would look for in a wife. Beauty, brains, fine up bringing. Real class.I agree. I liked Gwen. I think a lot of the comments show it's hard for people these days to recognize a respectable woman. At the time the movie was made, Gwen would have been the more typical young woman. Ginny would have been the oddity. Today, it seems things have flipped - not for the better.
Martha Hyer was perfect for the part. I think Dave saw in Gwen all those things that he never found in the bar girls he usually hooked up with and marrying her would also bring him up in social standing as an equal to his very successful brother.I think it's true he wanted a woman who was a lot different than the floozies he was used to. I do not think, however, that he was trying to use Gwen to climb the social ladder. I believe Dave's feelings for Gwen were legitimate; as hers were for him. She brought out good things in him; made him strive to be a better person; and was a respectable, sensible, decent, accomplished woman.
I think maybe this was how you were supposed to respond to her. I certainly don't think any of us were really supposed to like her character. I think Shirley MacLaine's character Ginnie was infinitely more likable and she was supposed to be. It's part of the tragic irony in the film.
sharejust_in_time says > I think maybe this was how you were supposed to respond to her. I certainly don't think any of us were really supposed to like her character. I think Shirley MacLaine's character Ginnie was infinitely more likable and she was supposed to be. It's part of the tragic irony in the film.I don't know what we were 'supposed' to feel but I don't share your sentiments about these women. I did like Gwen and understood her dilemma. She had feelings for Dave and even the support of her father but she was careful not to jump into any kind of relationship with him until she knew if he was the kind of man she wanted in her life. He was behaving in questionable ways so she was right to put on the brakes. Later she found out while he's professing his love for her, he's keeping company with Ginny. What's the girl to think?