the Major
This movie was on in the background the other day and I just caught bits and pieces of it. Why was the girl so disgusted at what the Major had done? I gather he was impersonating an army officer, but what else had he been up to?
shareThis movie was on in the background the other day and I just caught bits and pieces of it. Why was the girl so disgusted at what the Major had done? I gather he was impersonating an army officer, but what else had he been up to?
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They read a newspaper article telling of the Major's arrest for sitting next to a young woman in a dark movie theatre and "nudging" her in the elbow.....something he had done repeatedly with several other women. So, she was upset that he was a "masher".
I honestly think she was more upset about the fantasy of what she thought he was being shattered and the prospect of him leaving. Even though she claimed that what he'd done was "horrible", she was merely using the obvious to disguise the though of losing or missing him. Had she really be disgusted by what he'd done, i don't think she would have continued to be nice to him.
shareYes, I would agree mtarshis.
I didn't think what he had done was as terrible as all that. He seemed a harmless pest, if anything. They acted like he was almost as bad as a rapist.
It was a credit to David Niven's acting of embarrassment & discomfort sitting in the dining room with everyone staring at him.....his squirming & avoiding everyone's accusing looks.....and after he had explained to Deborah Kerr his feelings of shyness & inadequacies about himself with women and why he did these things.....I felt for him.
Homosexuality was illegal in England at the time Rattigan's play was written. Homosexuality wasn't decriminalized until the "Sexual Offences Act" of 1967. The Act allowed homosexual acts in private between two men, both of whom had to be at least 21; however, the Act applied only to England and Wales. Homosexuality was not decriminalized in Scotland until 1980 and in Northern Ireland, homosexuality was illegal until 1982.
If David Niven's character had been caught in a homosexual embrace, the penalty would have been far more harsh than nudging a few girls in a movie theatre (it was not made clear that the girls other than the initial "offense" were genuinely nudged or fondled and that perhaps they were just "jumping on the bandwagon."
David Niven deserved an Oscar for his portrayal; he played it spot on.
Not only had he been nudging women in dark movie theaters, but evidently, according to the police report, he had at times been going further than that with them. He's a life-long shy awkward repressed guy who is afraid to approach women (hence the charade of the army rank), so he gets off by nudging and/or fondling them in theaters.
Kerr's character is so disgusted because she herself is deathly afraid of sex. As the "major" says to her later, "We're alike, you and I."
After their long talk, Sybil (Kerr) realizes that what's going on with the major was not as horrible as everyone made it sound, and that it was something he couldn't help, because of his afflicted past. So she sticks up for him in the end, grateful for his friendship in her lonely, isolated, fearful, repressed world.
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It's also likely he's homosexual. His fear of women points to that, as well as his admission that he's never been "successful" with women and his reluctance to stay with his male friend in London because they're "birds of a feather".
As the author, Terence Rattigan, was gay (in an era when homosexuality was shameful and at best an unfortunate condition to be pitied), it wouldn't be unlikely.
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I doubt the character is homosexual. Most gay men are more comfortable around women as there is no sexual tension. For the major, it's quite the opposite- he's scared to death of women, and particularly intimacy- hence the groping in dark theaters.
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Niven was quite the ladies man. Where do you get your info from?
shareI'm currently in rehearsal for this as the stage play with my theatre group (I'm playing Jean). As I see it, Major Pollock isn't really a bad person, just a little bit of dirty old man. I think the gossipy old women in the hotel and the bitch that Mrs Railton Bell is, make it all sound much worse than it actually is, especially as her daughter is good friends with him. I think if there is any gay character in this play, it's Mr Fowler......obviously repressed of course :)
I really like this play, and I want to see the film, but I'll wait till after we've performed it first. I love the cast for it.
I had actually turned on this movie halfway through and my read was that he was a homosexual and had been having anonymous gay sex. The level of shock and horror reads in that direction. I wouldn't be surprised if the character was meant to be homosexual but that was for period reason censored.
shareI'm with Billy Fisher and edughi. I don't think the Major was intended to be homosexual in the play or the movie, but Terence Rattigan (the playwright) was gay and it seems pretty obvious to me that the kind of shunning and gossip the Major was subject to is exactly what a suspected gay man would have undergone in 1954, when the play came out. So though the part was probably written as straight, I would bet that the basis for the character was either Rattigan's own experience or something he had observed about another gay man. In the 1950s there simply weren't plays or movies that dealt with homosexuality in an up-front way.
shareI'm currently in this play as Sibyl. The Major isn't gay- at least not in the version we are all familiar with. In Rattigan's original version he was, but that was edited out and changed because it needed to be more acceptable to the audience of the time. As we see it now, the Major is just a very self-conscious man who can't communicate sexually with women. Sibyl is the only one who he feels comfortable with.
shareAccording to one Rattigan biography, the Major was originally written as gay but he changed it, not for censorship reasons, but to avoid upsetting his mother,
Cinemas at that time were used for prostitution in that time in the quiet daytime - and the implication is that he was moving round till he found one that would give him a 10 bob handjob (unlikely as it is that it would take him 6 attempts).
When the play is performed today, the original script is often used.
Interesting Note
sharemtarshis is talking about the character, not the actor
shareI have to agree with you, mtarshis, I'd never bought that the Major was gay. He was just a scared, lonely man. Aside from that, he definately had an eye for Sybil.
The only character I thought had to be homosexual was Miss Meacham.
Liza-19, I too agree with you both , the major was lonelyyyyyy as hell , and scared too , scared of alot of things , he seeked to attention maybe he can get a real friend.and yes , he had eyes for Sybil and wanted to impress her more by his lies . poor man , he made me cry actually when he telling his real story , I could feel how sad ,lonely and ashamed he was .
Here's looking at you , kid !
The role was originally conceived as a homosexual by playwright Terrence Rattigan (who was himself gay), but changed because of the censorial restrictions of the London theatre at the time.
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I think it's very likely that he is homosexual.
Rattigan was and I think he uses it as an ideal plot point to highlight the furtive nature of things in those days. It's just neatly incorporated with some scripting which can cover his tracks.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more certain I am. Remember the bit where he says he doesn't know why he does it? Remember the bit where he says he's going to stay with a friend of his but it's a case of "birds of a feather"? Remember when he describes his childhood and how he was bullied for being meek? Remember what he says about his father's view of him? This painting a very clear picture in my mind.
I can't imagine it's likely the police would have been watching a heterosexual person so intently, even back then, but they certainly would have been watching a homosexual person in those circumstances.
jd-276 says > I think it's very likely that he is homosexual.Maybe that's what you want to believe but it's not true. The Major is most certainly not homosexual! His problem is he likes pleasuring himself in dark, public places around total strangers; like the cinema. The darkness both represents and hides his shame.
I can't imagine it's likely the police would have been watching a heterosexual person so intently, even back then, but they certainly would have been watching a homosexual person in those circumstances.Don't imagine then, I'll tell you. The woman who testified says the Major nudged her elbow and tried to take liberties. The nudge may not have been on purpose; most likely it was due to the movement of his arms and body. He may even have exposed himself and/or tried to grope her. Clearly she knew what he was doing so she switched seats and reported him. Management notified the police and they proceeded to watch him move around the cinema at least five times in four hours; each time next to a woman. He was arrested on his way out. See how easy it is if you stick to what's in the story instead of jumping to your own conclusions. Besides, how would they even know he was homosexual? The judge says it's his first offense so he'll go easy on him, how does that fit in your theory?
Remember the bit where he says he doesn't know why he does it? Remember the bit where he says he's going to stay with a friend of his but it's a case of "birds of a feather"?The Major can't control himself so the last thing he needs is a bad influence to encourage his behavior. Due to his arrest he now has a record and is on probation for a year. If he's caught doing it again he'll go back to jail. If he and his friend are homosexual, why wouldn't he already be living with him? He'd certainly be around that lifestyle. Sodomy was illegal but the police wouldn't know what he does in a private residence. What could they do to him?
Remember when he describes his childhood and how he was bullied for being meek? Remember what he says about his father's view of him?Sibyl asked why he did it. He says it goes back to when he was a kid; timid and shy. He was bullied so he fears people, especially women. He lacks confidence. He's never been able to live up to his father's expectations so that's left him feeling insecure; further aggravating his shyness. The service made him feel important but it changed nothing. He lies to feel important but the lies drive him further away from people; some know he's lying others are bored with his stories. Sibyl's the only one who enjoys his stories and is attracted to him. He has feelings for her too. He can talk to her and is comfortable around her but she's fearful too especially of sex.
Maybe that's what you want to believe but it's not true.
See how easy it is if you stick to what's in the story instead of jumping to your own conclusions.
Wow. It's an allegory for homosexuality. It's so clear. They're doing the same thing Star Trek did in the 60s, telling a story that appears to be about one thing but underneath is about something else (race, for instance). Maybe one has to be gay to see it, but it's so clear. Even his creation and playing the persona of the major is equivalent to being closeted and pretending to be straight in order to fit in to a repressive society. It's truly amazing that so many people in the U.S. don't understand art or writing and what it's about, but try to take what they see on screen (or stage) as literal.
shareI agree...it is allegory or subtext for the gay experience of the time. Although something very similar happened to me in real life at a small cinema that featured foreign films--an older man subtley crossing the line; I can definitely recognize this story line in the play and the film reflecting the homosexual experience of the times.
shareSome respondents have noted that the character was homosexual in the original play, but that the specifics of this were changed for the film.
In my opinion, seeing it for the first time now, the cast were well instructed on the subtext (if they weren't already aware of it independently), and played this aspect accordingly. They did it so well, in fact, I was surprised to find that his questionable conduct was purported to have been with women. I suppose the studio must have demanded that in order to make the film.
We really need better security here. We also need better, less offensive history.
Based on people Niven had known- not entirely unlike himself, a charming raconteur not allowing the facts to spoil
a good story. Difference was that Niven's life had been a lot more distinguished.
I liked the woman's comment on the Major " a wicked old fraud and a crashing old bore ...you say he's a dirty old man and I don't give a damn !"
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