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How could it be women and children first / only


103 women died, as well as 53 children.....probably over 300 men survived (if not more)

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Hilda Maria Hellstrom however, was one of the third class women who survived. she would have liked this film, but had she watched the 1997 version, she would NOT be impressed with her character (who was a male....had a love scene and even died)

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Of the 1513 souls who died on Titanic aprox 1350 were men. Almost as many 1st class men died as 3rd class women and children, which given the class system of the times does show that "women and children first" was somewhat followed. The problem was that most 3rd class passengers were trapped below decks and could not even get to a life boat to be selected. No 1st and 2nd class children died, and only 17 women passengers outside of 3rd class.

The most surprising stat was that a greater percentage of 2nd class men died than 3rd class men. Only about 8% of 2nd class men lived, the lowest percentage of any group on Titanic.

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A couple of notes:

The Third Class or Steerage passengers on the TITANIC were not kept below out of malice. There was a class system at the time. Those who paid for First and Second Class passage were treated better than those who bought Steerage passage. (Think of it this way: Have you flown on an airplane? First Class has large, comfortable seats that recline all the way back as beds. Their seats have lots of leg room. They receive drinks and snacks as soon as they board. Economy/Coach Class are cramped together and only get refreshments when the plane reaches cruising altitude.) The Steerage passengers WERE allowed up to the Boat Deck, but after their better-paying fellow passengers.

The Steerage Passengers were not "trapped" below. Granted, the majority were herded together to wait their turn, but they were taken up to the Boat Deck. And contrary to what many believe, they were not locked below. The submersible subs sent into the wreck showed that the gates were NOT locked against the Third Class from climbing upwards, and several did make their way upwards before the rest of the Steerage.

From looking at the passenger list in Walter Lord's A NIGHT TO REMEMBER, 86 Third Class women made it to the boats. The ". . . 17 women outside of 3rd class" who died were women who either refused to leave their husbands, or women like First Class passenger Edith Evans, a single woman, who gave up her seat in one of the last life boats to a married woman who had children waiting for her return.

I beg to differ with you on one fact. You state that no 1st or 2nd Class children died. Canadian businessman Hudson Trevor traveled to England on business with his wife, Bessie, 2-year-old duaghter, Helen Lorraine, and 11-month-old son Hudson Joshua. When the stewards gave the call to go up on deck with life belts on, Bessie Hudson panicked. Her son's nurse, Alice Cleaver, grabbed the boy, wrapped him up warmly, and went up on deck. They were put into a lifeboat and both were saved. Although lifeboat space was offered to her, Bessie Allison did not know what happened to her son and would not leave the TITANIC until she found him. She would not get into a boat without knowing where her son was -- he was taken away by a sensible nurse. Not only would she not get into a lifeboat herself, she would not be seperated from Helen Lorraine, her daughter. Hudson, Bessie, and Helen Lorraine Allison all died in the sinking. Lorraine Allison was the only First Class child to die in the wreck.

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The most surprising stat was that a greater percentage of 2nd class men died than 3rd class men. Only about 8% of 2nd class men lived, the lowest percentage of any group on Titanic.
That is an interesting statistic. It makes me think that if you don't have much money then you need the instincts for survival; but a little bit of money is perhaps a dangerous thing as it dilutes the survivor whilst not affording the protection that comes with a lot of money.
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Your question doesn't make much sense. You're stating how many women died, and then how many men survived. If you'd go apples to apples and state either dead or alive for both genders, you'd see that many more women than men survived. Right??

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74% of the women survived, compared to 52% of children and 20% of men.

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Look at what class they were in. First Class men survived at about the same rate as Third Class children.

http://www.anesi.com/titanic.htm

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