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Did(will) feminists go first?


or stand and resist like a man?

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What is the policy that is followed today? I have not found a clear answer about it ever since I watched Cameron's movie 13 years ago.

God is subtle, but He is not malicious. (Albert Einstein)

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Many thanks for your reply, which is clear and logical. I had not noticed that people rescued by helicopter are indeed picked by how close they are to the sling instead of in a particular order.

God is subtle, but He is not malicious. (Albert Einstein)

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Just some information, if you're interested --

The traditional of giving women preferential treatment in time of danger dates back to the Middle Ages and, as has been previously mentioned, the Age of Chivalry. There were two instances, however, that cemented the "women and children first" tradition.

In 1852, the British warship, HMS Birkenhead set sail for South Africa carrying over 200 British soldiers and 20 women and children, family members of the soldiers. Nearing South Africa, the ship ran aground one night. Everyone made it up on deck and the soldiers began to help the crew launch the lifeboats. Unfortunately, the divots had been painted over and the ropes stuck in the paint. Only three boats were able to be lowered. The women and children were being placed in the boat when the ship's captain, knowing that the ship was sinking, called out, "Every man for himself." The soldiers' commanding officer, realizing that if the lifeboats were rushed, they were be swamped and the women and children dumped into the sea, drew his sword and ordered his men to stand fast. The soldiers obeyed; not one man moved. The boats were launched and all the women and children were saved. Not so for the men who held back.

The second event occurred two years later in 1854. The luxury steam ship, the USS Arctic sailed from England to the United States. During the voyage, the Arctic collided at night with the French ship, the Vesta. Fatally damaged, the Arctic began to sink. Panic ensued, men rushed the lifeboats, including the crew. The lifeboats carried the crew to safety. The ship sank, taking with it every woman and child aboard. People in both England and America were horrified at what happened, and the crew, who were American, could never return to live in the United States because of the animosity felt towards them because of their actions.

These two instances -- the chivalry of the Birkenhead's soldiers and the selfish panic of the Arctic's crew -- gave rise to the "women and children first" tradition at sea. Today, with quick radio communication and helicopters and planes, passengers and crew can, in most instances, be rescued wihtout loss of life. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if in some of these instances the "women and children first" tradition would still be followed. And not all women followed this on the Titanic. The most famous instance is Ida Straus, who refused to leave her husband, but other women also refused to leave husbands. And First Class passenger Edith Evans, who was unmarried, gave up her seat in a life boat for a woman who had children waiting at home. Miss Evans died in the sinking. If I remember correctly, her sacrifice is re-enacted in A Night to Remember.

Sorry for rambling so much. Just wanted to add the history behind the tradition.

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The men of HMS Birkenhead behaved like true hidalgos=gentlemen; Don Quixote would have been proud of them.

God is subtle, but He is not malicious. (Albert Einstein)

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I believe i read that the "women and children first" rescue from the titanic was actually used as an arguement against feminism in the wake of the sinking

It is not our abilities that make us who we are...it is our choices

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Oddly enough, Molly Brown WAS a feminist (though she wouldn't have known the term) prominent in Colorado. She was known as Maggie to friends, not Molly. She helped establish the Colorado chapter of the National Women's Sufferage Association and opened soup kitchens to aid the families of miners. During World War One, she traveled to France at her own expense and worked to make medical conditions better for wounded French and American troops. Because her wealthy husband died intestate, she and her two children fouhgt for several years over the estate. Unfortunately, lavish spending had eaten away at the fortune.

"We're fighting for this woman's honor, which is more than she ever did."

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As a woman and feminist I would gladly allow mothers and children to go first, not having any kids myself, I'd give up my seat for either.
But if it was me and men, none of whom a father, I'd ask to go first.
Simply because in 1912 chances of a man surviving were bigger.
Just look at the fashion of the time.
Try swimming or climbing on a turned upside down lifeboat wearing a long dress and corset.

Complaining about mistakes is almost as bad as complaining about complaining about mistakes.

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King of Prussia had Birkenhead story read to every regiment in the Army.

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Don't apologize! Excellent, informative post.

Thank you!

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