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So it's ok for adult men to fantasize about young girls?


The film is beautiful but I am disturbed by the fact that this man is openly in love with a young girl.

...and the geek shall inherit the earth...

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i don't think it's all that bad...there doesn't really seem to be that great an age difference between gigi & gaston...

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Many adult men fantisize about young girls and vice versa.

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Under all the singing and dancing, the film is actually a disturbing tale of a young girl's grandmother, and mostly her aunt, trying to force her into a lifestle that would be considered by today's standards, gossiping and sleeping around with the players (playboys.) Gaston and his uncle are both players, they sleep around with various women, and Gigi's aunt can't wait to get Gigi involved with them. It isn't until Gaston sees Gigi acting in the manor that her Aunt has taught her, that he is forced to realize that he is introducing an innocent girl he loves into an emotionally and self destructive lifestyle.

And yeah, she is quite young, there's no real transition, she goes from wearing the school girl outfit, to wearing the white dress. But no time frame is given so it's not clear.

I'm glad it has a happy ending, it would be interesting to see this story done not as a musical, and to delve a little more into what I just mentioned.

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> I'm glad it has a happy ending, it would be interesting to see this story done not as a musical, and to delve a little more into what I just mentioned.

It was first a novel then adapted into a straight play, and guess who played the leading role? Audrey Hepburn, whom Colette saw as perfect for Gigi--indeed, I think she said that she was Gigi or something like that.

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Must you really post this in multiple threads on this board? My goodness!

You obviously have no understanding of the social norms of the time-frame and culture in which the movie is based. Critiquing the morality of the story from our contemporary perspective shows a lack of historical references on your part.

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How is it any more disturbing to raise your daughter to be a courtesan than it is to raise your daughter to marry a rich man? They're very respectable, this family of courtesans. They're practically bourgeois.

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I totally agree with TMundo! A pimp is a pimp no matter how you slice it!

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Yeah, they're called pedophiles.

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Really it's just depicting a very different time period. Even in the fifties this could pass but I think if they tried to make this movie today they'd have to change ALOT or some nit-picky people would have huge issues with the whole thing which would tear away completely from how great the movie is.

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Actually the novel, play, and first two film versions(1925 & 1949) are not musicals. Gigi is only 15 years old and comes from a family of courteseans(sp?) or in modern language...hookers. It is very much a story of sexual attraction between a grown man and an innocent child. A lot was changed for the 1958 film to meet the requirements of the 'all-seeing' production code.

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I think comparing a courtesan to a hooker is very much reaching.

Courtesans were respected women who sought out a mutually beneficial relationship. The man had a partner, both physically and mentally, a hostess, someone to show to the right people - even introduce to the family with no shame.

In return, she was given lodging, clothes, gifts, a standing in society, etc.

I'd say it's no different than couples getting married for the sake of marriage/financial stability rather than love and love alone. I don't see many people raising an eyebrow at pre-nups to-day...this is simply an arrangement akin to a pre-nup that favoured BOTH parties.

Calling it next to a hooker is very wooly. I doubt many men would give hookers great gifts, introduce them to everyone they know, etc. etc. etc.

As for innocent child - the story says very much otherwise. At any rate, it's certain that the entire courtesan relationship is something entered into mutually. Given how doting her family is, I'm certain they'd never force Gigi into society/maturity before she was mentally ready. And at the beginning we hear specifically that Gigi is "backward" according to her Aunt; this is heavily implying that Gigi is chronologically the right age, but in terms of both maturity and training they had to rush things. Courtesan or not, women in these times had a very small window of opportunity to find a man.

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Actually, he is not "openly" in love with her; and he certainly doesn't seem to fantasise about her (at least not until he's not-so-discreetly pushed by Gigi's relatives into thinking about her "in that way").

But let's not forget that SHE is in love with him, too.
Is that alright with you?
(I am not being sarcastic - I am really asking.)

But both is a moot point, anyway.
What I was going to ask you is this: do you generally consider that films present - or should present - the world as it "should" be?
Because if you do, that's a somewhat dangerous approach to cinema.

(Again, I am not being critical of you or anything.
I am just asking. ;))



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This whole topic is much too Prudish for my taste.

It reminds me of the notorious "Thank Heaven for Little Girls" thread on the Classic Film Board in which it was suggested that Maurice Chevalier should be tarred and feathered for the song. To which the only logical reply is "Physician, heal thyself."



"By the way, don't touch the figs."

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When this film came out in 1958 audiences would not have equated the story to being one of dirty old men fooling around with what would now be called underage girls & don’t forget the story is set in Paris in 1900 a time when you had girls as young as 10 working in State run brothels across Europe & even in sexually repressed puritanical gun loving America the average age of prostitutes in New Orleans’s French Quarter in the early 20th century was between 13 & 17 years old & it wasn’t an issue. You can’t judge the morels & values of a by gone age from our perspective.

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I remember seeing this film as a young girl and was only slightly worried about it. The main problem was that she was "being trained" to marry a rich man or at least be the mistress of one. The fact that she goes "from a schoolgirl" to "a woman" is a trick of clothing, which I found interesting.

I have always thought that she was 16 - not legal in the US but I would bet legal in France. A big difference compared to being 12 or 13. To me Leslie Caron looks like Judy Garland in the Wizard of Oz - flattened down on purpose in the schoolgirl scenes.

This is a story of manipulation. I see Gaston as a gigolo who fell for a "female gigolo" - one an escort and the other soon to be an escort.

It is creepy, but we see so many films glorifying other types of crime, Gigi and Lolita (the latter which is considered a "classic" but I find EXTREMELY creepy - on the level of Lolita being severely mentally ill and Humbert being at least somewhat so - what a sick relationship) are just one example of the criminal film (on paper in the US, the grandmother pimping Gigi and a 16 year old assumedly sleeping with a 25 year old). "Everything works out in the end" for Gigi, and soon enough she will be 18 and no questions. It is like the teacher who bonked a 12 year old and had his kid. Eventually he was old enough to legally marry her and she got let out of jail, and everyone says "aw, what a love story" instead of "OMG, what a NASTY situation!!".

Kind of like what Woody Allen's biological child thinks of his father's marriage to his sister...

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"Criminal film"?

Oy...

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But of course there are double standards. Men interested in young girls are sex perverts, apparently worse than Nazis or mass murderers. But women interested in young boys are just misguided. Similarly men who assault women are brutes and thugs, but men who are abused by woman are laughed at - and it is assumed that the woman was justified in her brutality.

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Given that it's 1900 and not 2012, Gigi was probably old enough to marry for that time. The mark was probably right after puberty, not a particular age.

It wasn't too uncommon for an older man to marry a much younger one. Men like Gaston were expected to sew oats, girls were expected to produce children as soon as possible. In Gigi's case, earn her keep as soon as possible. Being young meant being beautiful, flirtatious and attractive, something that's hard to maintain with age.

I believe in the book, Gigi's mother kept her in school girl clothes to make Gigi seem younger (and keep the mother looking young in comparison). So when Gigi goes from schoolgirl to lady, it's not really a transition of time, more of a transition to womanhood.

A courtesan is a kept mistress, not a prostitute. Sex is involved, but a courtesan is also trained to be a hostess and most likely is trained in some form of art. She's expected to play the part of the 'perfect woman', whereas a prostitute is just a body.

I need three days notice to "Have a wank."

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It seems a little less gross when you realize Leslie Caron (Gigi) was actually 27 years old when this movie came out and Louis Jourdan (Gaston) was 37 years old.

That's evolution, baby. So mutate or step aside.

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The truth of the matter: a sixteen year old girl represnts a type of beauty and good health that men readily respond to. One admires them the way one admires a flower, or a bridge. (Course, the 16 year old mind--well, immaturity of intellect is not an advantage in a relationship.)

But look at Madame Alvarez's figure. (Hermione Gingold) Compare that figure with Honore Lachaille's figure. (Maurice Chevalier) It would seem a bad joke is played on women--as men age they grow handsomer, as women age, they grow frumpy. So an older man seeking out a younger woman is not so strange to understand.

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I've always thought of Gigi as being around 16 in the beginning of the movie, and 17 or 18 by the time Gaston takes her out, with Gaston being in his mid to late twenties. He's older , to be sure, but the difference isn't that much greater than many contemporary relationships.

What really seems creepy, is Maurice Chevalier singing "Thank Heaven for Little Girls." Even though Honore shows no signs of being one, with what we now know about pedophiles, it does come off as a little weird to have this elderly man focusing so much attention on little girls.

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