better then 1986?


i see the 1986 version, but not this one, can anyone tell me if this one is better then the 1986 version?

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For camp value, yes, this one is better than the 1986 version. Both versions have a lot of dramatic value to them, but in terms of emotions and how the situations affect the characters and everyone around them, the 1986 version beats that. When dealing with gore, definitely the 1986 version. All in all, the 1986 version tops the 1958 film.

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I thought the 1958 version was much better done. The relationship with the scientist and his wife (David Hedison and Patricia Owens) was much more real than the one between the Jeff Goldblum and Giana Davis for example. In comparison, Goldblum's and Davis' relationship was pretty superficial. The relationship was a focal point in both movies.

The remake also had a huge gaping plothole in which the transporter would merge any two living things into one living thing because every human body is teaming with bacteria. The 1958 version could be argued to have the same plothole though as well but I thought the remake made it more obvious when Goldblum specifically stated that it was the fact that two *living* things were in the chamber caused the accident because the transporter didn't know how to deal with two living things simulatenously. In the 1958 version, the accident had nothing to do with the fact that both he and the fly were living, but that the transporter simply had problems with it.

Another complaint I had with Cronenberg's film was the slow pace of it.

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Actually I would say that the 1986 plot works out just fine.
Bacteria are not "living things" as such, as they are not multiple cell organisms, nor do they have nervous systems or organs. Therefor one could say that they are merely parts of the human itself, rather than a second lifeform. The only two living things in the teleportation chamber was the scientist and the fly. Perhaps if the scientist had had lice or something it might have made another point, but then he would just have morphed/mutated into a man/fly/lice-thing instead. =)

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Bacteria ARE living things as such, it´s just that in this particular case they are in symbiosis. But i guess it´s not a plot problem, since we can think he had already thought about it and made the machine take them just as part of his body. after all he´s supposed to be a brilliant scientist, ain´t he?

A man/fly/lice thing, mhh, that would have been nice...

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Who knows if you still have the same email as 2004 , but here's my theory :

Surely it's simply about 2 SEPERATE organisms being in the teleporter. It would copy a human , bacteria & all , then rewrite that. It got confused because there was a fly elsewhere in the cubicle .

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Don't forget eyelash mites, which ARE multicellular.

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yeah but still part of the human to be copied - if one dropped on the floor though . . . . . .

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"The remake also had a huge gaping plothole in which the transporter would merge any two living things into one living thing because every human body is teaming with bacteria."

Is it possible that Brundlefly also contained the genes (if bacteria have genes)of the bacteria. Maybe the primative 1986 or older computer was not precise enough to identify anything but the Seth and the fly.

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Bacteria have genes, but their DNA is quite different from ours. Theirs is just one circular strand, while ours is linear and divided into chromosomes. So, it could be somewhat easy to tell one from the other.

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They are far too different to be compared. This is a very faithful adaptation of the story, while Cronenberg's film is only loosely inspired by it.

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That is a GREAT answer, despite 12 years between your response and mine!

28 years may not seem like a long time, but there was so much censorship back then, it’s almost impossible to compare movies or TV shows from the 1950s with today.

I usually enjoy different adaptations.



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it's only a 'horror' in the end of the film. aside from that, the pulp of the film is a major bore. the fly remake is a triumph in contrast regarding the horror aspects and drama .. not that the original didn't have drama - but the sort of drama created in the remake is just outstanding compared to the original .. i love it.

when i say "the fly" to people - i mean the remake. not the original - as it is, to me, the true version of the film.. whereas the original was simply a weak base for its creation..

fly remake = win. ;)

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I think the original is better. More eerie and disturbing. The end with the fly on the web is chilling. The remake is still amazing though.

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David Cronenberg's version is superior in every way. The acting is actually, you know, good in that one.

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Jeff Goldblum act? I've never seen it happen. He plays himself from body snatchers, to crappy apple computer commercials. The only movie i've seen where his 'character' fits in is Jurassic Park.

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Then watch this remake. It is a fine example of strong acting by Goldblum (and some excellent dialogue that made me wonder how much was extemporaneous while in character).

(I re-watched both the original and remake back to back recently, so this can be considered a fresh perspective on it.)

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I think the best thing the '86 one did best was that it actually showed the experiment between him and the fly (the door on the transporter took too long, and a fly flew in).

In the '58 one, we are simply told about it.

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this is the one that gives me nightmares.

I still dream about it.


just recently watched this version with my 11 year old daughter,
and for the first time unedited for television (this version has quite
a number of scenes I've never seen before)

and while a bit dated, and formula, at the end of the day the ending is still
so completely over the top, and will be live forever, while the the 1986 version
will be shelved.

I liked the 1986 version, it updated the story quite nicely, and was very well casted, acted, and done. But it was a gore-fest at its core, and relied on the R-rating for the bucks.

Personally, I like my horror Sci-fi that sticks to my ribs, comes back to haunt me. the 1986 version did none of these things. but even now after all these years, I still had a nightmare about it after watching this version. My daughter a week later is still freaking. BTW she never gave the ring, alien, or predator (I editted it) a second thought.

more stick to the ribs horror sci-fi:

the sixth sense
silence of the lambs
forbidden planet
them
the day the earth stood still.
the last man on earth (vincent price too!)
planet of the apes

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I wouldn't call Forbidden Planet a sci-fi horror. Though it was a very good movie it just had deeper messages and showed the primal mind, but it was moe of an adventure movvie then anything else.

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Them is an absolute masterpiece!

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when the army guy is trying to get the kids in the tunnel, and the worker ant is bearing down on them???? chilling. that whistling noise in the background still gives me the chills.

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I enjoy the original better.

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I saw the first but when I saw the remake I was disapointed..very.

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Cronenberg's version (much like John Carpnter's version of 'The Thing") relies too much on sickening the sudience that it falls flat. Good acting in both and they are very well directed too, but too sick for me to enjoy either. I prefer the originals myself.

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"much like John Carpnter's version of 'The Thing'... I prefer the originals myself."


thie irony of this statement is Carpenters version of the thing is far more true to the original book.

In re-cap, all four movies are at best great, at worst very watchable. I tend to side with nostalga and like the originals.

However in all fairness, the spider scene at the end of the the original fly still haunts me. Even as I write this I can feel the chill on my spine...

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the spider scene at the end of the the original fly still haunts me. Even as I write this I can feel the chill on my spine...

LOL. I just watched the film for the first time with my 12 year old nephew. We both found the spiderweb scene very laughable. It was hilarious. Maybe I had to have been alive during the 50's and 60's to think it was "chilling," but it was hilarious. I'm not saying it was a bad movie, it's just funny to me what some people think is "scary." I still prefer the remake with Goldbum. I remember loving the remake when I was a kid in the 80s. I haven't seen it in years, but plan to watch it again soon since I have my DVDR set to record it. :)

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the 1986 version is much better, but this one is good also.

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For my two cents, I enjoyed the original and the '86 versions, but I consider them really to be two very different films. Of the two, I tend to lean towards the '86 version over this one. I will say that the final scene from this film (on the spiderweb) was very chilling.

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The '86 variant is about bad people, for whom I had no sympathy. The moral core, i.e. the horror of the original is that the scientist is a married man with a kid. The bad thing happend to good people in a good cause. The '86 guy's a fornicator who reaps - in a drunken, jealous rage - what he sows!

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The 1986 version is the much superior film.The 1958 version is just all out bad.

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Without a doubt, the Cronenberg remake is better, nothing beats David Cronenberg.

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This version is frightening and outstanding, and the ending is one of the most unforgettable in movie history.

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I gotta vote for Goldblum version. The original was pretty hokey until the ending with the spider web. That was freaky. But my vote is for Goldblum version.



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I prefer the original more than the remake.
But I have to say, the remake was pretty nice.
The first fly I saw was the remake. It was great, my mother would tell me about the first one, the main point was of course the: Help me! HELP ME!
I always laughed at this, then I saw it, it chilled me more than any other movie I knew of... Thats why I reckon that the first was better, plus I don't like the fact that in the remake Jeff Goldblum that instead of switching his head and arm with the fly, they simply become one.
I gotta go with the original as the better.

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I think it's more realistic that it would affect his whole body-not just the head and arms...anyway Cronenberg's a genius and his film is best-while this is still good for its time.

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Both are really good.

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The 1986 version is the much superior film.The 1958 version is just all out bad.


Cronenberg's remake is the superior film on just about every level, but I have to insist that the original film is not bad or campy. It has great production values and a good cast that help "sell" the story to the audience. The film is a bit of a museum piece today, but still entertaining.

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The '86 variant is about bad people, for whom I had no sympathy. The moral core, i.e. the horror of the original is that the scientist is a married man with a kid. The bad thing happend to good people in a good cause. The '86 guy's a fornicator who reaps - in a drunken, jealous rage - what he sows!


Wow, puritan morality lives!

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It's not about bad people. It's about a scientist who is accidentally transforming bit by bit into something inhuman, both mentally and physically and at one point even he is scared of it.

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The '86 guy's a fornicator

Fornicator, LMAO! People still use that word when not mocking old laws and writings?

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I would have to say the 1986 version is a lot better. I saw both versions, within a span of two days, for a college SCI-FI class I'm am taking. I had to do this for Invasion of the Body Snatchers and Solaris as well. I felt that the 86 version was a better SCI FI movie in that it really got you to think. The 58 version seemed like more of campy horror flick with sci fi elements. It also seemed preachy at times. The 86 version made its point, of the dangers of science, visually and without having to explicitly make its point. That's why the movie was so graphic.

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I don't think the point in the original is "the dangers of science". the point is the danger of humanity.

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