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Major Terrill and his daughter


I have to ask - is Patricia's adoration for her father just hero-worship, or something a bit more twisted? Both the Hannasseys and Terrills are decidedly not normal: if Rufus Hannassey hates his son Buck so much, maybe the Terrills have a deliberately contrasting relationship where Patricia and her father love each other... a little too much.

I'm not throwing incest or an Electra complex into the discussion just to be cheaply provocative, by the way! Patricia's romantic idolization of her father ("you're not half the man he is!") came close to making my skin crawl. Am I alone in this reaction?

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I think it's just meant to show her youth - and the extent to which she's deeply connected with this place. Remember at another point she says she wouldn't be able to stand living away from there. She's really just a kid.
She was in fact looking for another father IN Peck - and he's not at all like her dad - and she's gravely disappointed.

Baker's simply not yet mature - and in a way, it's more Peck's fault for not realizing it - he's ranged far and wide in the world, is a generation older, and should have known.

Peck's character's judgment about women is really the one fault he has - he's way too slow to realize Baker is too young and still shallow - and he's VERY slow to realize his feelings for Simmons until Burl Ives MAKES him realize it.

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There is definitely something wrong with the Terrills. In the beginning, the viewer is led to believe Rufus and Buck Hennessey (played by Burl Ives and Chuck Connors) are the villains. As the film progresses, it becomes clear that Major Terrill is as much the villain of the film, if not more so, than the Hennesseys.

Consider the behavior of the Major and his daughter - whenever they don't get their way, like a spolied child, they throw tantrums. Patricia is simply a shallow little brat who needs either a) "a few weeks with a good man in Niagara Falls" or b) to be spanked (no pun intended) within an inch of her life. She has not one single redeeming quality that I can think of.

The Major is an egomanical, ruthless jerk, also without any redeeming features. The Major and his daughter are actually identical personalities - except one is an older man and the other is a young woman. It is to the credit of Charles Bickford and Carroll Baker that their performances so convincingly portrayed these character traits.

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I agree. At first I was fooled into thinking the Hennessey clan were the villains of the film, when in fact, I wound up having great disdain for Major Terrill and his spoiled brat of a daughter, and a good deal of respect for Rufus Hennessey. True, Buck Hennessey was a backstabbing trouble-maker, but his father obviously didn't care for his methods. Buck was the only true villain of the Hennessey bunch. But yeah, I found myself rooting for the Hennessey clan, and I wanted to see Rufus blow away that elitist old fool, Major Terrill.

**SPOILER*

I would've loved to have seen his daughter's reaction after hearing of his demise.

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Baker's simply not yet mature - and in a way, it's more Peck's fault for not realizing it - he's ranged far and wide in the world, is a generation older, and should have known.

Peck's character's judgment about women is really the one fault he has - he's way too slow to realize Baker is too young and still shallow - and he's VERY slow to realize his feelings for Simmons until Burl Ives MAKES him realize it.


Great post. It was the one thing I had difficulty with -- such an astute man not realizing the true nature of Pat's character when he met her back east and decided he wanted to marry her. Then being so slow to notice it once he'd arrived in The Big Country, as well as his feelings for Simmons. Not that we'd have wanted Peck and Simmons to fall head over heels while he was still engaged, because that would have betrayed both of their characters and sense of integrity. But he was awfully slow to have to have Ives hit him over the head with it at the very end.

I don't think there's anything unusual about Pat's feelings for her father. He was a patriarch, he spoiled her, she was a "Daddy's girl," and was raised to think he could do no wrong.

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Leech would have known if there had been incest, and that would have destroyed his own idolization of the Major, so no I don't think it was that ... although my skin crawls too during that scene.

I know a girl who is quite like Pat. She is/was a farm girl from farming country who had lost her father at a young age. After marrying, she was unhappy in her husband's town and moved back to her home locale. The husband followed for his son to have his father.

Suddenly, the hushand could do no right. He's not especially mechanical, and that was just one of the complaints. Her family told him he is kind. She is NOT and is instead quite stupid and insensitive and downright mean - note the correlation.

McKay and Julie Maragon (Jean Simmons) *are* VERY intelligent and sensitive and nice ... and immediately like each other.

In two ways McKay is out of his element. He is a long way from the sea, and he comes to a place of bitter, internecine competition.

But he *is* above the strife, and yes he's condescending, because he soon realizes that it's not just the Hennesseys who are the savages, and he's repelled. In fact, old Rufus shows greater gentility and humanity than The Major.

Burl Ives performance is one of the most vivid and memorable in film history. He fully earned his Best Supporting Actor Oscar.

And Chuck Connors played his part well too ... to the point I am surprised it didn't destroy his career. He portrayed a fine father himself on TV in The Rifleman.

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I believe Patricia's adoration of her father was simply misguided hero worship, nothing twisted. She was indulged and immature, unwisely seeking in a husband the qualities she admired in her father, but clearly not finding them in James McKay. I heartily agree with many of the posters here. By approximately halfway through the movie, my sympathies lie mainly with Rufus Hannassey rather than the Terrills, father or daughter.

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I'd not considered the Electra Complex aspects of Patricia and the Major's relationship until I watched the movie without interruption...and it was coming through loud and clear.

Another poster said he developed respect for the Hannesseys, but I didn't. I did for Rufus, though, but Buck was a cowardly bully from the beginning. Major Terrill was indeed, as Rufus Hannessey put it, a "high toned skunk." I'm a former working cowboy, and I've seen plenty of high toned skunks in my time, as well as plenty of rough men with true honor....in short, the Major and Rufus are still with us.

I have to admit, I was pleased that McKay ended up with Julie and left Pat....Pat was a spoiled brat, and Julie was a woman. No choice there...besides, Jean Simmons was hot!

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The emotionally incestuous relationship between Pat and her father is no accident; it is one of many subplots within this extremely intelligent film.

With reference to an earlier comment, I don't know if I would be sadistic enough to want to witness Pat being told that her father had died. But it is obvious by the end of the film that the peacemakers--Jim and Julie--have a future together, and that Pat will ultimately find consolation in her father's surrogate son, Steve Leech (gadzooks, more hints of incest!) who nonetheless has evolved into a more reasonable man than his employer.

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Jim and Julie--have a future together, and that Pat will ultimately find consolation in her father's surrogate son, Steve Leech (gadzooks, more hints of incest!) who nonetheless has evolved into a more reasonable man than his employer.

I always said Steve should give her a good spanking. (She'd probably love him after that. He is her father's boy, after all.)

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I would love for Steve to give me a good spanking lol. My favorite character in the movie is Steve.

Just wondering, I don't recall any mention of Pat's mother, the Major's Mrs. What happened to her?

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She clearly hero worships her father and is clearly affected when Leach make his move on her (in contrast to Julie and Buck).

Pat was probably attracted to Jim because he was an older, powerfull and influencial man, just like her father, but when that didn't immeadiatly manifest itself within the local community she felt she had been let down. To her it was all about image, much like her father and his pretensions of being the gentleman rancher.


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that account rings true. she was entwined to her father, but then, he was amongst the first citizen of the region, and she grew up privileged, entitled, and probably a good bit isolated. also, with the mother gone, they would naturally be closely bonded.

i like your observation that pat was let down by his perceived loss of status, which goes to her immaturity and perhaps native superficiality / lack of insight.

you could, i suppose, take it more freudian then that, and freudian concepts were de rigeur in the late 50s, but moreover, the character & circumstances just all reinforce the action - the mark of a first class story & treatment.

when you think of how character was modeled in those days, compared to the swaggering obnoxious badass thug heros of today, you may realize that our culture has degraded considerably.

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Holy moley, I have always wanted to see that! You could tell she was 'giving him the glad eye' when he challenged McKay. She thought he was hot stuff right there.

I think Steve and Pat would be the Texas version of Rhett and Scarlett.

And, yes, she does need a good smack. She just does not understand McKay and his more mature, peaceable ways. She's a product of her home and up-bringing.
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...besides, Jean Simmons was hot!


Oh yeah!! I had a huge crush on her as a kid when I saw this movie for the first time. I was gutted when I found out she was 25 years older than me.

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Bit of a daddy's girl perhaps. They do say that a young girl's first love affair - not (usually) consummated I hasten to add - is with her father, and this love shapes how she loves other men.
McKay has to be older to be a sea captain and to be wealthy enough to buy Big Muddy. Pat is attracted because of his maturity, and because she thinks her father will approve of him. This is why his refusal to act the big man cuts her so deeply.

And I think Rufus does love Buck, but he knows his nature too well.

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I don't think it was anything more than she had a full case of being "daddy's girl." You'll notice her manipulative ways with her dad when he asks if she's happy. She says "Almost. What will I do if he decides to leave here. I don't think I could stand to be away from you." To wit the major says, "Don't worry...I'll make a Terrill out of him yet."

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Some of the judgment calls on Pat and the Major seem pretty harsh.

Pat is NOT an evil little "rhymes-with-witch!" She IS, however, spoiled, shallow and immature like a lot of young women (AND young men) have been known to be. Learning life's lessens the hard way is the best kind of teacher for people of Pat's mentality. If she had "no redeeming qualities whatsoever" Julie and she would have never been best friends in the first place.

The Major's faults are glaring, of course, but that doesn't make him a total monster. Do you think he would have had such a full-house attendance to honor him and attend his daughter's wedding engagement ball if he had been such a total b*****d in every facet of his life? No, I see the Major as being blind in his hatred of the Henneseys; we are never told how that old score began between the two old patriarchs; the dispute over water rights is, obviously, merely an excuse for two stubborn old fools (Terrill and Hennesey) to renew their mutual vendetta against each other. But the Major is not a whole lot different than other men in his profession (a rancher in the Old West) in his limited scope and definition of what it means to be a man worthy of respect and admiration--which is why he never found anything to admire about McCay.

I want to believe that I will take the lesson from this movie and not make the same fatal errors of human judgment that were made by both the Major and Rufus. It's almost unanimous among posters at TBC message board that Rufus had more admirable traits than the Major, but he was as culpable as the Major in that each man, nursing his grudge against the other, created many casualties in their bitter strife.

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In my opinion Pat and the Major's enmeshed relationship is meant to demonstrate that th men and women may equally responsible for violence, regardless of who actually pulls the triggers. The women cannot fight because of propriety but they gain vicarious pleasure and thrill by spurning their menfolk into violence. The men encourage this mentality in the women by fighting for the sake of "their" women. The violence cannot occur without input from both parties.
In my opinion Pat is no less responsible for the bloodshed than Leech or the Major. I see her as more than an immature brat - she is essentially the feminine version of her father, the enabler of violence.

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I'd love to have seen a movie about the two couples in the end, especially Pat and Steve. Their's isn't shown much but perhaps they would make a couple.

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Good insight, MsKateHepburn!

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certainly it is implied. When Patricia comes down to breakfast she plops down on daddy's lap, calls him "darling" and plants a big kiss right on the lips. At the dance she calls him the most handsome man in the place and Julie remarks that Pat would be a fine wife if she can be taken away from her father. Juicy.

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That part always makes me laugh "most handsome man in the place" yeah right. Pat is definitely dillusional.

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Why does every close family relationship in a movie have to be seen as something dark and dirty like incest? I am assuming that the mother died many years ago so naturally father and daughter would draw close, but I didn't see any evidence of incest. Julie did NOT say, "get her away from her father", she said, "get Pat away from her father's influence". Which is true enough, daddy spoiled her and besides that he is really the main male figure she has ever known, and not a very good one.

As for the major and Rufus, I see them both as being a couple of old stubborn fools and could have settled their differences peacefully if they had so choosen, but they were to full of hate and silly grudges to do that, and neither one of them were very good parents.

As for Stever Leech, I saw him as a good man, he just looked up to the guy who took him in and raised him, but the major could not rid Leech of a sense of right and wrong that Leech had in him, he did not approve of many of the things the major did and finally just stood up with him out of loyalty.

In closing I must say that this is one of my favorite westerns, it is long but I never notice the time because it flows smoothly from one scene to another, the music and acting are all first class and I love the look that passes between Leech and McKay, one of mutual respect.

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You know Rufus was really the good guy as it was the Major who did not want the Rufus clan to have water for their cattle, driving them off any chance he got and starting trouble. Rufus did not mind sharing the water with the Major at all. Ok Buck was a bit on the wild side but I don't think there was any real harm in him just a wildness.

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If you don't consider raping a woman a bad thing I might agree with you, that's just what he would have done if his father hadn't have stopped him. Rufus was no worse than the major but I don't think he was a whole lot better, McKay showed him proof that he planned on sharing the water with him but he was still set on a big showdown, which got a lot of innocent men killed on both sides.

I will admit that the major was a bit worse, he had no right driving cattle off of property that he didn't even own, but if Rufus did get a chance to buy the land, I don't think he would have shared the water any more than the major would have, they both hated each other with a passion.

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You are quite right about Buck and what would have happened had Rufus not stopped him. Up until that point he was harmless enough I believe. Julie had a narrow escape. Also right about Rufus not stopping the fight even though he knew Mckay owned the land and would share the water but Rufus shooting his own son Buck and killing him...that was a shocker alright...the Major would never have done that to Pat to protect some "stranger". Rufus was a man of his word I guess. He did warn Buck what would happen. Still find that disturbing as I doubt any of us could shoot and kill our own son no matter what the circumstances.

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Remember that this was set up when Rufus had to pull Buck's hands from his throat. Buck was set to choke his own father and Rufus' response was "Someday, someday I'm going to have to kill you."

Rufus kept the integrity of the duel-he was the 'second' for both men and he did warn Buck. He had said he wondered how he would behave when he couldn't use his quick draw. He was furious when Buck fired before the count and had already warned him about shooting an unarmed man. I don't think many men would be accurate enough to kill someone with a shot like that but he wasn't going to let Buck get a shot in. He could have easily wounded him and still stopped him.

It is supposed to be disturbing and one of the final straws that wakes Rufus up. He follows McKay and tells him he was right-it was Henry Terrill and him and then goes out to finish the fight.

It's no wonder he won an Oscar and Golden Globe for his performance.



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This movie is full of parralells within the two factions.

Rufus and Leach are both shown to be suceptable to McKay's influence and concilatory manner, while the Major and Buck remain intractable. Both Rufus and Leach realise the futility of escalating the personal feud into a pitched battle.

Leach is repectfull towards Pat even after he reveals his attraction to her.
Buck is a slavering dog.

The Major is seen to be the antagonist right through to the end, but that's when McKay tells Rufus that they are just as bad as each other.

Had Rufus had the power to withhold the water rights from the Major he would have done it. Just as he would have loved to be the gentleman he despied the Major for playing.

He didn't have that power and that's what drove his anger, however he was far more open to learning from McKay wheras the Major (and Pat) think he is something of a fool.

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Add the paralell between Pat who is unimpressed when Jim fails to live up to her image of her father and how eventually he behaves just as Julie's grandfather did in allowing both parties equal rights to the water, thus earning the admiration of Julie and the respect of Rufus who believed the old man to be a "true gentleman".

Notice the number of times Rufus makes reference to McKay's standing and honour in the Hennessy Ranch scene, with his gentleman's pistols,being a man of his word and how he is ingruiged with why both Mckay is involved in a fight that isn't his own and why Julie is wiling to shame herself by implying she has been "visiting" Buck in order to protect him.

Remember also, that McKay's avertion to pointless brawling is that his own father was killed in a street fight.

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You know Rufus was really the good guy as it was the Major who did not want the Rufus clan to have water for their cattle, driving them off any chance he got and starting trouble. Rufus did not mind sharing the water with the Major at all. Ok Buck was a bit on the wild side but I don't think there was any real harm in him just a wildness.

We don't know the backstory re: the bad blood between the Major and Rufus, but neither one of them could forget stupid old grudges and co-exist peaceably. To me, Rufus was only the lesser of the two evils, only showing some true character in the end when he agreed that the fight should be between him and the Major, alone.

Buck showed his true colors when: (1) The prostitute he had visited called him "pig" (she must have had her reasons!) (2) he abandoned his brothers to the beating punishment administered by the Major in order to save his own skin; (3) he attempted to force himself on Julie; (4) he started beating her because she couldn't continue the charade in front of McKay when he had come to rescue her (she was trying to discourage him and make him leave for his own safety).

Buck's brothers, on the other hand, aren't bad sorts, even kinda likeable.

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We get a couple of hints that, whatever the troubles were between the Terrells and the Hennessys, they were under control until the death of Clem Maragon; doesn't Rufus say he's been trying to get hold of the deed for three years? I believe so, and in that case, then we know Clem Maragon died three years ago, and that's when the escalation of the feud began.

We also know it is the Major who escalates matters to bloodiness in this stage because in payment for some basically harmless rough-housing by Buck and his brothers, the Major rides into Blanco Canyon and allows his men to stampede the Hennessy horses and shoot the water tower - a very terrible thing to do in such a dry area and to obviously hard-scrabble inhabitants who had nothing to do with what Buck and company did. This is even worse than beating the brothers.

Interesting too that Julie and the rest never refer to her parents but only to grandpa Clem, the assumption being that the parents died young and that Julie was raised by her grandfather. (Clearly, too, the Maragon family is Spanish, the surname being a derivation from Aragon -- and which I like on both counts, as my father is Spanish and one of his surnames happens to be Aragon).

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Additionally, I think the Maragons received the land from grant from the King of Spain. No?

Btw, I think it was "six" years Rufus was trying to buy the ranch.

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Yes, indeed: Julie says it was a gift from the King of Spain to her great grandfather and, jokingly, that she hopes that Jim is suitably impressed (to which Gregory Peck replies with just the right lilt: "Yes, Ma'am.").

And thanks for the correction. Then Clem has been dead for six years; Rufus has "not had a good night's sleep" (or words to that effect) for twice as long as I remembered it being; and Julie has been under pressure for that long -- and probably things have been going badly for the Maragons for even longer than that considering the state of the old house.

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Rufus is praised on this board for being a better father than the Major. Buck, his son, is a coward, rapist, liar and a loud-mouthed moron. The major's daughter is just over-priveliged and guilty of daddy-worship ... she's nowhere near as bad as Buck!

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I never would have thought of incest in the relationship, but you don't need incest to be "too close". As for telling her dad he was the best looking man at the party, well, I figured she was probably just sucking up to him, the way all daughters suck up to their fathers at some point. Who knows what effect her father's death would have on her. One of two things would probably happen -

1) Pat has a nervous breakdown and goes from merely being irrationally spoiled to being downright crazy and self-destructive.

2) Pat would finally have a long overdue wake up call and realize the futility of her father's tactics.

One can only hope for #2.

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Rufus is praised on this board for being a better father than the Major. Buck, his son, is a coward, rapist, liar and a loud-mouthed moron. The major's daughter is just over-priveliged and guilty of daddy-worship ... she's nowhere near as bad as Buck!

Hiya, James. Rufus' other sons weren't what anyone could call bad or evil. Rufus spent all the years Buck was alive trying to make something respectable out of him (Buck), but Buck didn't turn out as Rufus had hoped. I'm sure some parental failure can account for it, but in the end, parents can only be blamed for so much when one of their grown children turns bad.

As for Pat, I agree, she's not the monster that some in these boards have made her out to be. The Major is the real villain here, and my one regret in the way "The Big Country's" narrative is handled is that there's no closure for, and no way of knowing one way or another about, Pat and how she will react to the events at Blanco Canyon. Will she ever look at herself in the mirror for purposes other than vanity? Will Pat take the lessons she should have learned in the failed relationship with McKay and will she ever face up to her father's culpability tyranny for the ugly things they were? Too bad TBC left us all hanging re: Pat's fate!


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Hi Vin. I agree that the other sons of Rufus were not as bad as Buck, but let's face it, none of them could hold a candle to their dad. He was no saint, but boy, did old Rufus have some balls!

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He couldn't ride a horse the way those boys did early in the movie, though! That kind of horsemanship was probably considered a virtue in many quarters of the Old West

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I just finished watching the fine movie for the second time in two days, and it is my considered opinion that fathers can cast too large a shadow on their daughters without even intending to do so. No incest. Nothing inappropriate. Rufus and the Major had both lost their wives (it appeared). They may have turned to their daughter (or son) as a confidant and expected too much from each.

The genius of the film is the character development (especially Rufus, who emerges, as noted, as more than just a cardboard bad guy).

None of General Lee's daughters (I think there were five) ever (EVER) married because nobody measured up to their father. I doubt if Lee intended that ... he was just a person of exceptional character.

There's no need to seek out the dark side when it comes to familial relationships. As with "The Manchurian Candidate," when it is there, often times a stone is left in the path so that not to stumble over it is difficult.

Great score.

Sigh. I long for a time when integrity had more currency than it seems to have today (even if the operative word is "seems").

Only Carol Baker is still alive. That's hard for me to accept, somehow.

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And she's still alive, ninety-one years old, in July of 2022! Stephen Peck, Greg's son, was an extra in the movie when he was eleven years old. He's still alive at seventy-five.

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