Does God Exist?


Does God Exist? I think he does, maybe. Any thoughts?

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Yes.

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Either God exists and He created all matter, space, and time (ie the Universe)

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There is no God, and so the Universe must have created itself. No other possibility.

Now think about it: If the Universe created itself, brought itself from a state of non-existence into a state of existence, then it must have existed before it existed.

If that doesn't make sense, then keep thinking about it until it does. How could matter have brought itself into existence when it didn't even exist?

Get it?

There is only one explanation. God exists outside of time, matter, and space, and He created everything in the Universe (besides Himself, of course.)

That's why God is also referred to as the Prima Causa, Prime Cause, Prime Mover, and the Non-created.

What? Yes, I've heard of the big bang. It was a Catholic priest who came up with the idea, in fact. Now let me ask you: What caused the big bang to occur?

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There is only one explanation. God exists outside of time, matter, and space, and He created everything in the Universe (besides Himself, of course.)

how about the explanation that there is no creation and no creator?

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Now think about it: If the Universe created itself, brought itself from a state of non-existence into a state of existence, then it must have existed before it existed.

No. You make a logical fallacy here. One does not follow the other. The universe started existing without existing beforehand. Universe as we know is inbalance. There was balance, that is to say, nothing. however it is not a stable state, and as such it split into what we call matter and antimatter, the two opposites. if all were to come together, it would turn into nothing again. Perhaps some day it will.

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Neuw

If you are an atheist and are 100% proud of it put this as your signature.

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no

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Which God do you speak of? As far as I'm concerned, God exists in the form you wish to acknowledge, for how else could I hold as much reverence for the wonders of science and mathematics as a worshiper holds for the entity they pray to? I feel that defining God as a set being is wholly against the idea of seeing God as an omnipotent power. For some, God is the creator. For others, He's the nothingness they work to disprove. For me, He's physics, laws, the ultimate conditions dictating the incredible balance and interaction of the shifting universe.

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I agree with the poster above. Their is something greater than all of us but I'm not going to attempt to identify it. Organized religion these days is a hypocritical farce.



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Define "God".

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Impossible to answer, no matter what people say (Even Habermas)
The film communicates this hopelessness, but I think it was hopeful generally a hopeful message, A young family lives on, suggesting the most important thing in life is simply to live. Don't torture yourself with religious practices, don't deny life to others, be a good person in general.
This question can be debated till the end of time... it can be tormenting, so I say don't torment yourself. The fact is we all die, the question is how will we live before that?

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As far as I'm aware, Habermas didn't really speak on the issue of God. He seemed to be more concerned with Derrida's idea of a play of signifiers as well as Foucault's idea of Power (rather than Nietzsche's Will to Power).

To the originator of this thread, I think some people are partially correct in the inability to quantify something as large as God. I think the question we have to ask is what frames what? Does Buddhism frame Descartes, Kant, Marx or the Enlightenment project? Does the Enlightenment frame Buddhism? Does postmodernity successfully deconstruct the Enlightenment, and if so, what are we left with? Does Christianity frame postmodernism? The question of God is of course very contentious, but I think at some point, despite all the compelling arguments for or against God, it has to come down to faith.

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nry5000 AWESOME answer exactly what i would have said and believe in my own head.

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God is the energy that makes up the fabric of the universe.

That's my take at least.



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It all depends on what language you use to describe "God". You may take the pantheist view that God is simply a poetic of describing Nature/Universe. That's all good and well. If, however, you describe God as some sort of supernatural intelligence that cares about the sins and prayers of we humans on this tiny planet located in an unimaginably vast universe, then God certainly does NOT exist. Besides, the question isn't even interesting. Think about something worthwhile.

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Absolutely not

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So is he Gravity? or Nuclear power? Interesting...

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One of the most matured posts I've seen on these boards

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In other words, God exists in the form we imagine him. So no, he doesn't exist.

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@ jmbt chopsocky .......Deep.





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If God was all natural laws personified and consciousness in and of itself then why would that entity be a he?

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Necrothreading, whee.

It's because I'm a He and people look for themselves in all things. And it's a damn sight easier than getting pedantic about doing the he or she routine. It's just as well that God described as the part of the mind we aren't consistently tapping into or harnessing is a part of us, ergo, my slice is a He.

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Very good. And now that I've defined God as the left ball inside my nutsack and you can all hail it, what does that actually say about the origin, etymological history of the word and how people generally take the social meaning behind it? Redefining the word from creators and its general tie in with a moral absolute to your preference of 'define it as whatever you want' says nothing above the existential. Useless objectively in terms of the question asked, but on a personal level, yes please enjoy your definition of God. But of course, I could say let's all define a hug as we please, and for me personally it's a stab through the eye :)

You used a capital for God btw, which would be appropriate for a set being :)

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The problem that Bergman had was this: How can God exist in a world where the holocaust and Hiroshima exist? Bergman grew up a true-believer, but he had to face the question: either God doesn't exist, or is evil. This was the question that he was dealing with in the '50, along with many of his generation.

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id say no. it just doesnt add up to me.

"Oft confused with the most high, though our inseems got different lengths"

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what is god?

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Has Bergman ever read The Bible (i know that many so called believers actually dont)? If we assume that Bible is correct and depicts true events, then God is MOST DEFINITELY evil.

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then God is MOST DEFINITELY evil.
How so?

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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god goes around slaughtering entire cities, ordering people to rape and pillage and its advice to getting a wife is "wait on the side of the road for a nice girl and take her". God tells people that if they meet a non-chistian and they cannot convince him to become on, it is their holy duty to stone them to death.

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So then for God to not be "evil", in your eyes, He'd need to give us a perfect, immortal life with no pain and suffering...... Oh wait! He did. Who screwed that up?

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Even going as far as leaving us alone is a vast improvement over what is described in bible. Also God screwed that up, by creating the snake.

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Lol!! Leaving us alone? He gave us free reign and more. He asked for very little in return. "Creating the snake" is all part of His perfect plan. He didn't create us to be mindless automatons. We have to come to Him because we want to.

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Ah yes, the "do as i say (not as i do) or burn in hell forever" is certainly free reign. And if creating the snake was part of his plan, then he planned to make humans fail all along. this would make me want to hate him even more of he existed. Only a complete psychopath would come to a god like that.

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If that's how you understand it, I can see how you would feel like that but
He didn't "plan" for humans to fail, he allowed (allows) it though.

I'm sure you value your free will but you don't seem to like the idea that if you reject Him, He honors you by allowing you to exist in a world COMPLETELY devoid of Him (hell). Somehow you guys seem to think that at some point, He needs to take your free will away but you said yourself, because you (an infinitesimally minute speck in His HUGE creation who has NO understanding) disapprove of Him, you want to hate Him. He can't help you!

You're just like millions of others. You, with your EXTREMELY limited, finite mind, are trying to analyze/judge someone who can "speak" reality into existence. He is eons beyond our comprehension and analysis but unfortunately we don't understand or like that idea and people have a bad habit of hating what they don't understand.

You have ample time to sort this out. Don't screw it up!!

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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Its nice that you took your time to write such an elaborate insult, but it does not matter.

If god is omnipotent, then he knew exactly how and when human will fail and exactly why it will happen. the why, that you dont want to admit, is something god set up himself.

Free will is an illusion. there is no such thing. everything is done based in millions of factors, most of whom are out of our control. Whether you want to call that god or not i dont care. God as described in the bible however it is not. The bible describes a very mean being.



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I intended no insult so if you took it as such, I apologize.

Like I said, God and His ways and thinkings are WAY beyond our scope so trying to analyze things like free will, omnipotence and all that to me, are futile. Did God "set it up"? Who knows but if He did, it's His prerogative and His reasoning. It is said that God is perfect and righteous and I have faith and trust that this is true.

God as described in the bible however it is not. The bible describes a very mean being.
I totally disagree. He gives us all everything we need for all eternity which is pretty awesome to me! Unfortunately, a lot of people aren't interested in it and can't see the forest for the trees. This life and it's hardships, sufferings, etc. aren't even a blip on the radar in the scope of eternity. My faith tells me that the best is yet to come. We're all terminal and a lot of us will pass in very unpleasant manners but I trust my God and am thankful for the sense of peace He grants me.

By the way, even if God was "mean", again, His prerogative and hating Him for the way He manages His creation is not wise. He is rich in mercy and has a place for all of us who will take it. Don't like it? Start your own universe or cut your nose off to spite your face and suffer for eternity.

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You are the definition of blind faith.

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Ok. I'm joyous in my faith as promised :)

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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In my mind - certainly not. For some, he exists. Nothing wrong with that. I just can't believe that some so called Greater Power pulls our strings in the world of billions of individuals. I don't find any religion as something that speaks to me and at the same time I have absolutely nothing against any of them. The Holocaust and Hiroshima refrence mentioned somewhere above is IMO very relevant.

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In my mind- yes, God exists. I hope to spend my life trying to understand the mysteries that surround us, while at the same time acknowledging that I will never fully understand everything (or anything really) until death comes for me.

I am against people that dress in robes and come up with a "checklist" for how to live, and sneer down at "nonbelievers." I believe fully in God, but not so much in the people who claim to follow him. I also don't believe in forcing opinions on people. If there is anything I want for other people, it is that they will believe in SOMETHING. It could be anything so long as they truly believe in what they say. I can understand why many people don't believe in God. They either cannot comprehend or strongly despise the idea that someone other than them is in control. Quite understandable.

To sum it up, I believe that God exists, but also that I will never understand everything. And I want to try and be a good person, helping other people and thinking less of myself. That's what I want to aspire to. And if I succeed, I could certainly rest with that.

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To sum it up, I believe that God exists, but also that I will never understand everything. And I want to try and be a good person, helping other people and thinking less of myself. That's what I want to aspire to. And if I succeed, I could certainly rest with that.


That really sums it up for me. I feel if there really is a God, he's more likely to look kindly on those who do good things because it's the right thing to do. Not doing good things because you don't want to feel the wrath of some vengeful deity.

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You assume a monothesistic god here, as usual.

It could be anything so long as they truly believe in what they say. I can understand why many people don't believe in God. They either cannot comprehend or strongly despise the idea that someone other than them is in control. Quite understandable.


But you are wrong because this is one of the greatest flaws in Christianity. If god gave humans free will, then god cannot control humans and vice versa. As you say, it is also quite understandable to say that someone else or something else is in control of your life. Seen The Truman Show? Debates a similar issue.

What people fail to realize is how many religions there are... and conceptions of divine entities. We don't need gods to act morally correct, we don't need to believe in Jesus to show altruism. I am of the belief that the universe is infinite and thus all your actions have infinite causes and effects.

Religion is something you make up in your mind. Easy as that. Such is the definition of god or divine entity. Faith is something humans made as well. No one came to humans and taught us faith or made us learn faith. That is something we have created on our own. Nothing of what you believe is unique as such because in general terms, your god is the same as the god buddhists belive in, indians believe in, old greeks. Faith is faith because some people need it or they feel there is no meaning in life. If faith is their motivation that is fine. What people need to learn to understand are all the infinite possibilites of the word "faith".

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I also don't believe in forcing opinions on people.

here you say you don't believe in forcing opinions

If there is anything I want for other people, it is that they will believe in SOMETHING. It could be anything so long as they truly believe in what they say.

where here you force your opinion. Why should anyone believe in anything, anyway?

I can understand why many people don't believe in God. They either cannot comprehend or strongly despise the idea that someone other than them is in control. Quite understandable.

or simply they think that there is no god at all in exactly the same way that you think there is

And I want to try and be a good person, helping other people and thinking less of myself. That's what I want to aspire to. And if I succeed, I could certainly rest with that.

you only forgot to say here that you want world peace to exactly sound like Miss America

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"If you say god is energy, then you can find god in a lump of coal."

No, I don't believe there is a god.

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Yes.

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Let us begin, then, with the mad-house; from this evil and fantastic inn let us set forth on our intellectual journey. Now, if we are to glance at the philosophy of sanity, the first thing to do in the matter is to blot out one big and common mistake. There is a notion adrift everywhere that imagination, especially mystical imagination, is dangerous to man's mental balance. Poets are commonly spoken of as psychologically unreliable; and generally there is a vague association between wreathing laurels in your hair and sticking straws in it. Facts and history utterly contradict this view. Most of the very great poets have been not only sane, but extremely business-like; and if Shakespeare ever really held horses, it was because he was much the safest man to hold them. Imagination does not breed insanity. Exactly what does breed insanity is reason. Poets do not go mad; but chess-players do. Mathematicians go mad, and cashiers; but creative artists very seldom. I am not, as will be seen, in any sense attacking logic: I only say that this danger does lie in logic, not in imagination. Artistic paternity is as wholesome as physical paternity.

Moreover, it is worthy of remark that when a poet really was morbid it was commonly because he had some weak spot of rationality on his brain. Poe, for instance, really was morbid; not because he was poetical, but because he was specially analytical. Even chess was too poetical for him; he disliked chess because it was full of knights and castles, like a poem. He avowedly preferred the black discs of draughts, because they were more like the mere black dots on a diagram. Perhaps the strongest case of all is this: that only one great English poet went mad, Cowper. And he was definitely driven mad by logic, by the ugly and alien logic of predestination. Poetry was not the disease, but the medicine; poetry partly kept him in health. He could sometimes forget the red and thirsty hell to which his hideous necessitarianism dragged him among the wide waters and the white flat lilies of the Ouse. He was damned by John Calvin; he was almost saved by John Gilpin.

Everywhere we see that men do not go mad by dreaming. Critics are much madder than poets. Homer is complete and calm enough; it is his critics who tear him into extravagant tatters. Shakespeare is quite himself; it is only some of his critics who have discovered that he was somebody else. And though St. John the Evangelist saw many strange monsters in his vision, he saw no creature so wild as one of his own commentators. The general fact is simple. Poetry is sane because it floats easily in an infinite sea; reason seeks to cross the infinite sea, and so make it finite. The result is mental exhaustion, like the physical exhaustion of Mr. Holbein. To accept everything is an exercise, to understand everything a strain. The poet only desires exaltation and expansion, a world to stretch himself in. The poet only asks to get his head into the heavens. It is the logician who seeks to get the heavens into his head. And it is his head that splits.
~ GKC - 'Othordoxy'

Amigo, lay them raises down.

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The god of man is a failure.

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and all of our shadows are ashes against the grain?

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This Bible was written by who...? If there is a God, he has turned his back on us in disgust for how we use His name for our own sakes and theories.





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"The god of man is a failure."


No, God's children are failures. Get it right.

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so to get it right, God is how you call the parent of failed children?

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maybe,but I don't think so.

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