DVD for Saint Joan


I would like to know if there is support for Saint Joan to be released on DVD. I think there is a big case to be made promoting this. Here are a few points:

1. Otto Preminger's movies always get good business in DVD from film lovers like you and me.
2. There ARE fans of this movie. You just gotta know where to look.
3. This was Jean Seberg's film debut as Joan of Arc. She got the role after a huge nationwide search rivaling Gone With The Wind (for your information).
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4. Opinions change as time goes by. It was coldly recieved upon release, but it has gained reputation over the years.

I rest my case.

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I'd like to see it. I've seen a good performance of Shaw's play, and can see how it'd be difficult to translate to a movie, but Preminger was always an interesting director.

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I would buy this film on DVD as well! It's great and Seberg is great in the role.

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Despite the current (completely justifiable, in my opinion) interest in Preminger (TWO excellent full-length biographies in one year, from the top U.S. and U.K. publishers; Film Forum retrospective), I'm afraid it is safe to say that there is little market for this film in America, which is still living in the antediluvian age as far as the public's film appreciation is concerned. Why at this late date DVD publishers continue to issue actor-oriented box sets when both U.K. and French markets are geared (correctly) toward director-defined collections is a great mystery. But one needn't depend on American DVD producers: almost any DVD player can easily be turned into a region-free player. And Saint Joan is available in a very cheap edition in France: not a difficult thing to acquire it. Not one of the greatest Premingers, perhaps (a weak score, for one thing, and dubious art direction -- this was a very difficult period, during which Preminger was still finding his way independent of the studios), but an interesting one.

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Films Sans Frontiers have released this on dvd in PAL region 2. You can find it on ebay now and then.

But I have to say I didn't think the film was very good. I wanted to see it as I like the Joan of Arc story, and I'm a fan of Jean Serberg and Otto Preminger. I haven't read the play, so I don't know how closely this film resembles it, but I'm not surprised this film was a bit of a failure when it came out. It looks quite nice in places, the cinematography is decent and the direction seemed decent, and Jean was great, especially considering this was her first role. But most of the other actor's were either adequate or just bad.

The light heartedness of the first half of the film felt really forced and didn't really work I think, especially juxtaposed with the more serious second half. It such a tragic story I don't know how you could try to make it humourous. Some if the characters were just... bizarre! Why was the Dauphin such an idiot? He was more like a Jester than a would be king.

The fact there was no action doesn't bother me at all (I love Bresson's Joan of Arc), but it seemed like they led up to the Orlean battle than decided not to bother filming the battle. You see them marching forward then all of a sudden the film cuts to after the battle. This felt really weird, like you were missing part of the film.

And the ghost stuff was just ridiculous, it made a mockery of the whole story in my opinion. If felt like a kids film or something (is this in the play?)

So yeah overall I was disappointed, I rated it a 5 out of 10.

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Why was the Dauphin such an idiot? He was more like a Jester than a would be king.

Most "kings" were in fact idiots and spoilt rich kids like the Dauphin who just sat on their asses on the throne and let the underlings actually run the government for him. And it's quite accurate too for the monarchy of France until Louis XIV who were nominal rulers who allowed the nobility, the feudal lords and the clergy to actually run the government. Only with Louis XIV who in reaction to Cromwell capturing power in England(which led to King Charles I getting beheaded, the first time something like that happened in European history) took power and brought the nobility in his stead. There's a masterpiece of a film made on the subject, coming this month on Criterion.:
http://www.criterion.com/films/971

I personally found Richard Widmark's comedic parody a total ball.

(I love Bresson's Joan of Arc),

I dislike that film a great deal. Obviously sincere but it has nothing new to say which Dreyer in his definitive La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc did not already do so. While Preminger's film is totally different in intent and construction.

And the ghost stuff was just ridiculous, it made a mockery of the whole story in my opinion. If felt like a kids film or something (is this in the play?)

Saying it's like a kid's film isn't inaccurate to it's function. The film is addressing an audience which is world's apart from the time and society Joan new. She was canonized and made a saint in the 20th Century, in the 20s in fact, which is why Shaw was inspired to write the play. Why is the story of Joan of Arc, her life, her personality so important in human history and what meaning does it have for us who are so remote from her society and world. For most people she's a Catholic saint who was burnt first on the stake. Shaw who wasn't Catholic and not at all religious wanted to show audiences how important her life is to all audiences. Hence the religious aspect of her story is less at stake than the political and personal one.

The prologue of the film is actually the epilogue of the play.

It such a tragic story I don't know how you could try to make it humourous.

Well Shakespeare's tragedies are full of humorous bits. And the comedy is also there in Shaw. But at the same time neither Preminger nor Shaw make fun or belitte Joan, she's treated with respect and sincerity. That it chooses to mock the aristocracy, the military and the clergy is totally understandable and accurate to history and also befits my political sympathies as well.


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Din't expect a reply any time soon, thank you.

Some good valid points which point the fact that Preminger knew exactly what he was doing while making the film, and as far as his skills and talents go I cannot fault him (wish I had his talent!).

I still dislike the ghosts, and even though I can now understand their purpose in the film a little better I still don't think it worked very well and downplayed the story and Joan's resoluteness.

I think my main problem is that I have seen quite a few films about Joan (this one, the Besson one, the fairly recent mini series, the Ingrid Bergman one, the Dreyer one and the Rivette one) and while I like some more than others I have yet to see the ultimate and definitive film about her. I find her and her story utterly fascinating and am dying to see a film that truly captures her character and cricumstances.

I keep my fingers crossed someone will make it soon.

All you need to make a movie is a girl and a gun.

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Warner Archives DVD-R is now for sale at wbshop.com.

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