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Steele Family misogyny


Was this show written by a sex offender? I couldn't believe how the women were portrayed. The scene early in the show where the married man attacked the young lady because she was "just so good looking" was sickening.

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You are forgetting that these shows were written back in the 50's and 60's, long before Women's Lib. Attitudes were different then; scripts were not written with morality messages in mind. At that time there were many films that treated women in ways we would probably now call offensive. After all, this is just entertainment, not a lecture in morality.

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Most Westerns are morality tales. The best of them are able to give the flavor of life in the old west while at the same time dealing with issues of the day. A well-written Western is able to make its point within the rules of the genre.

One might also suggest that there were Women's Lib and all the other movements of the second half of the 20th century because enough people in the postwar era believed there should be change. Those themes were often woven through Westerns. The appeal of Westerns wasn't their authenticity, that's for sure. lol It was the discussion of issues and modern dilemmas in an entertaining and nostalgic way with interesting characters and action-filled plots.

The complicated social ideas presented by the Westerns that were created from the McCarthy era of the 1950s to the present day made them very different from the simple Oaters of the previous era where the Good Guys stopped the Bad Guys from doing some sort of criminal activity. In WWII that was a metaphor for what we were doing in the world, with no doubt in many people's minds that it was a just war against a great evil.

The closing of the West to homesteading was seen by many as a sobering change in our national perspective, losing the feeling that there was always land to the west where a person could remake his or her life. That led to the creation of myths about that time, when men were real men and women were real women. Writers began to use those myths the way folklore has always been used, to teach a lesson. The early lessons were crudely crafted and you had no doubt whom you were supposed to emulate and who was weak, cruel, and dishonest. The later lessons were far more sophisticated and were much more likely to be about the dignity of all humans and equality under the law, the value of doing the right thing even if you gain nothing from it and might even end up dead, and the need to be the one who keeps your head when others are forming into the proverbial angry mob ready to burn down a house or lynch someone merely for being unpopular or different. Some Westerns were even downright subversive. High Noon certainly was.

Badly written Westerns, in my view, make no effort to adhere to the genre and are simply modern dramas with actors in funny clothes.

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Excellent post Skiddoo

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Jean Holloway wrote the script for "The Steele Family". [b[She[/b] was a very prolific writer for TV in the 50's/60'/70's and early 80's. Prior to TV scripting, she also wrote screenplays for several films.

There is an episode of Cheyenne that comes to mine... called "Standoff". One of the plot devices is a female doctor. Doctor Marie Vargas had to state to Cheyenne her background (Queens *Medical* College- Madrid, Spain) because he thought she was a nurse (and had more then a few doubts about her ability to tend to the wound of the prisoner Cheyenne brought in to her office.) When the doctor gave Cheyenne a freshly brewed cup of coffee his comment to her was: "If all female doctors make coffee this good, I'm in favor of them (female doctors)."

Taken in the context of the time I didn't have any issue with Wagon Train's "The Steele Family" or Cheyenne's "Standoff" episode.

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Any idea where I can watch this episode? I'm curious about it because it's supposedly based on Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice. Any suggestions for viewing it online would be much appreciated. Thank you.

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Don't know where you can watch it, but it is very loosely based on P&P. I just watched it and I was half way through before I got the connection. Pride and Prejudice 95 is my favorite all time movie. I also liked this episode because they were near Lake Tahoe and so am I :-)

But the mother on Wagon Train really reminds me of Mrs. Bennett. Hope you can find it.

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In episode two of the fifth season entitled "Kitty Albright" Flint rescues (and is wounded by) a woman who has become a nurse after being trained by Florence Nightengale. She wants to join the train to go west and start a school for nurses. Flint tries to dissuade her because people believed that nurses have had a bad reputation in the Civil War as women of ill repute. But she convinces him to give her a try and she succeeds in the end.

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Major Adams had reservations about Doctor C. Ames Willoby (played by Jane Wyman). And Carol Ames Willoby, MD like Kitty Albright, succeeds with The Major.



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Jean Holloway was married to Dan Tobin who appeared in the episode.

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Jean Holloway and Norman Jolley were the best writers on Wagon Train.

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I'm kind of partial to Gene L. Coon episodes. The Benjamin Burns Story is a very strong Flint episode.

Here are a few more Gene L. Coon episodes (off the top of my head and on the QT).

The Sakae Ito Story
The Mary Ellen Thomas Story (Flint sings)
The Hunter Malloy Story
The Benjamin Burns Story (mentioned above)
The Amos Gibbons Story (the episode reminds me of Cheyenne's "The Trap")
The Earl Packer Story (A very strong Flint episode. IN an interview Robert Horton said of Ernest Borgnine "A very Strong actor").


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Jean Holloway and Norman Jolley (very good writers with long careers in the business). Norman wrote several of my favorites The Tent City Story, The Countess Baranoff Story and um The Traitor...oh my stars )


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Wow! What a disgusting point of view. You must be a really sad guy and I would bet that you don't get many second dates. Were you the product of an abusive father?

We are all forgetting that these shows were written and produced many, many years ago in a different time and place. Why don't we just enjoy them for what they are and not try to analyze them in today's context.

While there was some violence and mysogeny in Wagon Train it wasn't nearly as bad as what we see today or, even in some of the other shows of that era.

At least some of the Wagon Train episodes attempted to convey good moral stories.

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I have seen MANY TV Western episodes with female doctors, and I don't think any of the ones I've seen were written with the point of view that women should not be doctors. Of course ignorant attitudes on the part of other characters are common in these scripts, as the story is about the kind of attitudes women doctors had to deal with (just as there were many episodes showing the kind of prejudices minority racial groups had to deal with). And yes, in many of these episodes even the series regulars act as if the idea of a woman doctor is new and foreign to them, as it probably was. And at first they say things which sound ignorant to us now. I have to give the writers credit for writing the main characters as to some extent creatures of their times rather than as enlightened 20th century progressives a century ahead of their time, which just would not seem real. Still, in all the episodes I've seen the lead regular comes around to accepting and defending the woman doctor by the end of the show.

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Why do people insist on judging shows from 50 and 60 years ago by today's standards? For your health, don't watch anything from before, say, 1990.

This will be the high point of my day; it's all downhill from here.

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You took the words out of my mouth about judging programs of a bygone era by the standards of today. Another thing to remember was there were times when a doctor was needed and it did not matter what the sex of the doctor was. There were not many times when someone was dying or in extreme need of medical attention that he/she would refuse the only doctor around regardless if it was woman or not white. Once again, standards were different and another thing was standards of modesty were verrrrry different then and that was another barrier that women doctors had to overcome. Some things do get better with time.

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The scene early in the show where the married man attacked the young lady because she was "just so good looking" was sickening.
Sickening, yes, but do you believe such things didn't happen? And still happen?

Kitty is raped in at least two Gunsmoke episodes. Is it any less offensive because it isn't shown?

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I didn't see that scene but it has to be less lurid than the introductory sexual murders in shows such as Criminal Minds and CSI.

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I finally decided to stop watching Criminal Minds just because I had become so tired of seeing the cast of regulars hunt down one psychopath after another. It got to be SO sickeningly boring. I stopped watching CSI for much the same reason, although having Ted Danson as its new main character really helped. Never liked him on cheers and I still don't care much for him. Miss seeing Jorja Fox though...and now I guess it's been cancelled. Still watch the reruns of Law and Order Criminal Intent however...it doesn't have the same (simulated) grisly effects, and besides, I really liked Jeff Goldblum as Zach Nichols...a hangover from seeing him as Raines, a great show which should have lasted MUCH longer.

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I'd like to chime in if I may.

I found it hard to assess this episode critically in relation to the mores on display, as it was evident the episode was played for laughs through and through. When mama Steele is fussing over the daughters at one point, the youngest says "more coaching from the sidelines"! I couldn't help but laugh at that line since it was more than a little anachronistic...the first football game on record was a college game in 1869, but it was utterly and completely a different game (pretty much in every sense) as the one we know today, plus that line has a modern connotation to it. Strictly for laughs.

In cases such as this one I don't try to evaluate the episode in relation to the current day and age, it was made more than 50 years ago and things were just different. I'm not trying to excuse anything, but we can't change the episode...it is what it is.

Nothing to do here but relax and enjoy the ride. There are plenty of WT episodes that DO stand up to critical analysis, but it's entirely obvious this one was very light-hearted and was never intended to do that.

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The Kitty Allbright Story (1961) was the first Wagon Train to have been filmed and broadcast in color, originally, though it appears on DVD in black and white (as do the other four color episodes from season five (1961-62), the season Wagon Train was #1 in the ratings.

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