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The Fictional Date of "Red Ransom"


I happened to see the episode "Red Ransom", 8 February 1960, directed by Sidney Salkow and written by Dean Riesner, recently on Starz Encore.

The synopsis in IMDB says:

Jim Hardie is working with the Chickasaw Wells Fargo Agent, Clay Arvin, to capture the Apache renegade outlaw Joe Black. The two men along with a couple of deputies capture Joe Black but unknown to them the local Apache chief Akana is watching them. After locking Joe Black in the local jail, Clay invites Jim home for dinner with his wife Clara and daughter Jenny. While there they learn Jenny has not returned so Clay and Jim ride out to look for her. As they find her berry picking basket, they are confronted by Akana who shows them he has Jenny. He wants to trade her for Joe Black, his brother, by the end of the next day. The city fathers meet on the issue and decide to turn Joe Black loose despite Jim and Luke the Marshal refusing to go along with the idea. However, they use Clara to trick Jim and release Joe Black. Jim goes after Joe Black after a delay and discovers Joe is not headed back to Akana.

There's a little problem in geography here. Presumably Chickasaw Wells would be in Chickasaw territory. The Chickasaws were one of the five civilized tribes, they lived in Tennessee and Mississippi until moved west on "The Trail of Tears" to The Indian Territory in modern Oklahoma in the 1830s.

And of course the typical Apaches lived in Arizona, New Mexico, Southwest Texas, and Sonora and Chihuahua in Mexico, not in Oklahoma. But there was a small tribe of Kiowa Apaches on the plains, allied with the Kiowas and remnants of the once numerous Plains Apaches. References to 19th century Apaches on the great plains should be to the Kiowa Apaches. So Joe Black and Akana and their people should be Kiowa Apaches.

Wikipedia says Tales of Wells Fargo is set in the 1870s and 1880s. No doubt many episodes have data to support or contradict that date range.

One of the townsmen feared that the Apaches might commit another Fetterman Massacre in their town of Chickasaw Wells. it seems to me that a historic Indian attack on a town would have been a better analogy than a battle with soldiers in the open.

Thus the townsman could have mentioned the Great Raid of 1840 when Comanches under Buffalo Hump raided Victoria on August 6 and looted and burned Linnville on August 8 while the citizens cowered on boats in the bay. Or the Battle of Seattle on January 26, 1856. Or the First and Second Battles of New Ulm, Minnesota on August 19 and 23, 1862.

In any case, the Fetterman Massacre was on December 21, 1866 and news would have taken until January, 1867 to reach some parts of the west. And it seems to me that if "Red Ransom" was after they got news in Chickasaw Wells of Custer's Last Stand on June 25, 1876, there would have been a high probability that the townsman would have mentioned "another Little Bighorn" instead of "another Fetterman Massacre". So "Red Ransom" would be in or after 1867 and probably before July, 1876, which agrees fairly well with Wikipedia's statement that Tales of Wells Fargo is in the 1870s and 1880s.

But if Chickasaw Wells was in Chickasaw territory it would have to be after parts of the Chickasaw reservation were made available for white settlement. So that would be after the Dawes Act of 1887 and the later purchase of Chickasaw lands for white settlement. The first Land Rush to claim land in Oklahoma was on April 22, 1889, and there were later ones on September 22 and 28, 1891, April 19, 1892, September 16, 1893, and in 1895. But I don't know when Chickasaw lands were first opened to white settlement. If this reasoning is accurate it thus seems improbable that even the earliest episodes of Tales of Wells Fargo could be in the 1870s.

So "Red Ransom" is an example of a western movie or TV episode that typically gives inconsistent information about its date.

Note that "Lolo Montez" should happens a few years before Lola Montez died in 1861 and also after railroads first reached Arizona in 1879. I can't help wondering if the writer got it backwards and thought it should happen after 1861 and before 1879 instead of before 1861 and after 1879.

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I saw "Red Ransom" again 01-28-2019 & didn't hear any mention of Chickasaw Wells or evidence it was in former Chickasaw territory in Oklahoma and thus after the Oklahoma Land Rushes. Possibly the synopsis in IMDB was wrong about Chickasaw Wells.

I thought that I heard Hardie say that they would take their prisoner to Tuscon, which is Tuscon, Arizona. And they mentioned taking the morning stage to Prescott, which is Prescott, Arizona.

So the Apaches should have been members of some Western Apache group living in Arizona. Since these Apaches have been at peace for a while the episode should be years after the Fetterman Massacre in 1866.

Separate wars with the different western Apache groups started in the early 1860s and were inherited by General James Carleton in 1862. Carleton launched a partially successful campaign against the western Apaches in 1964-65 that failed to end the war, allegedly ordering his troops to exterminate the western Apaches. Certainly J.P. Dunn, in Massacres of the Mountains, 1886, claimed that the US government tried extermination of the Apaches for some time. It has been claimed that the western Apaches thought the Americans wanted to exterminate them but didn't have the power to.

In 1871-72 the US government sought peace with the western Apaches. Envoys Vincent Collyer and General O.O. Howard negotiated treaties and established reservations for all the western Apaches except for the Tontos, who were crushed by General Crook in 1872-73. Then the Apaches realized that the Americas did have the power to exterminate them but didn't want to.

So the fictional date of "Red Ransom" might be either sometime in spring 1873-June 1876, between peace with the western Apaches in Arizona and Custer's Last Stand, or else sometime after 1886 when the last of the occasional outbreaks by small Apache groups ended. Or else in some era of a totally fictional wild west.

Note that episode 23 of season three, "Lolo Montez", 16 February 1959, should happens a few years before Lola Montez died in 1861 and also after railroads first reached Arizona in 1879. I can't help wondering if the writer got it backwards and thought it should happen after 1861 and before 1879 instead of before 1861 and after 1879.

The thirteenth episode of the fifth season, "Escort to Santa Fe", 19 December 1960, happens on April 14 & 15, 1865.

"John Wesley Hardin", 30 September 1959, the fourth episode of the second season, should happen sometime between January 27, 1873 and February 26, 1873.

"Two Cartridges", 16 September 1957, the second episode of the second season, should be after Deadwood was founded in early 1876, and also while there is peace with the Sioux Indians, and so after about September, 1877.

The Break", 19 May 1958, the thirty seventh episode of the second season, happens just after Jesse James is shot, which was on April 3, 1882 in real life, so it might also happen in April 1882 in the fictional universe of Tales of Wells Fargo.

Belle Starr, 9 September 1957, the first episode of the second season, has Jim Hardee arrest Belle Starr and take her to "Hanging Judge" Isaac Parker who sentences her to prison. Actually Belle Starr was arrested by Deputy US Marshall Bass Reeves in 1883, and sentenced to prison by Judge Parker, which strongly suggests that that "Belle Starr" should happen in 1883. Hardee kills outlaw Blue Duck in the episode, even though Blue Duck died of natural causes in 1895.

"The White Indian" involves Tommy Macrea, who was 4 years old when sent by train to Dodge City and then by stagecoach to meet his parents, but never made it, and was raised by Indians for 15 years. Since the Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe Railway reached Dodge City in September, 1872, "The White Indian" should happen in or after September, 1887 - possibly many years after 1887.

"The Sooners", 3 March 1858, begins shortly before the Oklahoma Land Rush on April 22, 1889, as Hardie says in his opening narration. "Sooners" were criminals who sneaked into the land rush zone ahead of time, thus literally "jumping the gun", and thus had an unfair advantage to stake their claims to be best land ahead of everyone else.

Later in the episode a calendar showing the month of December is glimpsed, so "The Sooners" could last from April to December of 1889.

In any case "The Sooners" begins 24 years after "Escort to Santa Fe", making it amazing how little Jim Hardie seemed to age between the two episodes.

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