Where was this god during the holocaust?
It amazes me people actually think this is a work of non fiction. Pure fantasy like any other religion
shareIt amazes me people actually think this is a work of non fiction. Pure fantasy like any other religion
shareIt you read the Bible, you'll find that more often than not God's people endure trials and tribulations. Many of the prophets were persecuted and killed. Jesus himself was crucified. The disciple Stephen was stoned to death. Many of the apostles were believed to have killed also.
The Christians' hope is set on the world the come. In this world, persecution is all-but-guaranteed.
The Christians' hope is set on the world the come. In this world, persecution is all-but-guaranteed.
Exactly. If the soul is eternal, this earthly sojourn is just a tiny blip on the grand timeline of our existence.
shareFor crying out loud, do a little research. The problem of evil has been discussed and debated for millennia. Think you're the first to pose this question? Study the philosophers. Study the theologians. The scientists, the scholars, the poets. Answers are out there. Seek wisdom. Expand your mind.
You've got a serious metaphysical question and you bring it to a movie discussion board?
Really?
Don't criticize things you obviously haven't bothered to spend any real time objectively examining.
Tell you what. Study Spinoza, Whitehead, and Shestov and then come back here.
We'll wait.
Evil is a man made construct, as is religion.
And you want us to read specific individuals writings...and then what? Do these people prove the existence of God, do they prove that evil is a tangible, malevolent entity...or did you just choose to believe what you read?
What if I or someone else reads these writings and disagrees with you?
I read (past tense) the bible. A lot. I was raised a roman Catholic. When I reached 16, 17 I saw it for the nonsense it was.
I firmly believe that religion is useful only as a tool for teaching basic morality to children, right from wrong etc. But as a grown adult you really need to question it.
Ok, freedom of choice if someone wants to continue to believe. But I have always found it a childish concept that has no relevance in adult life.
I don't care what writings you choose. I noted three that have meaning to me, but my larger point is that the existence and nature of God and the existence and nature of evil are HUGE freaking concepts, and I heartily advise doing at least some modicum of research. Great minds (better than mine or yours put together) have hashed these issues out over the centuries. I have spent a goodly amount of time (20+ years) studying them. I have landed on a different spot than apparently you or the OP has landed, which is fine. But what are your beliefs based on? The decisions of your 16 or 17-year-old self after reading the bible "a lot"? Really? The questions are big and they deserve serious, reasoned scrutiny. You say that a "grown adult" has to question religion. Great advice. And have you questioned this conclusion? Or is it just something you "firmly" believe?
Epistemology matters.
God is imaginary. You have been lied to since birth about the existence of a god. Its common sense. Every pastor, rabbi, etc behind closed doors is laughing their azz off that still today, so many people believe in god. They know what they preach is sheer nonsense. Its about power, control and influence
shareMy reply to your original post stands. I can see why you wouldn't want to address it directly. Your mind's already made up.
shareLol when the anti-religious nut is worse than the religious but 🤣🤣🤣
shareOh I can see how some of it got started, remember the people back then were not the most enlightened. Also over the years various plausible theories have been thrown out to explain things like part of the Red Sea which was thought to have been much shallower and more of a swamp than a sea, then you throw in some strong constant winds from some weather phenomenon and you had one miracle... A lot of the other things have other plausible explanations. The real trick to any religion is that kids are brought into religion when they are very impressionable. You basically brainwash the kids to believe in whatever religion the parents are into and because the parents never tell them guess what this was bullshit we were using to make you behave, the kids will usually never stop believing even when you throw science and reality at them. Not much different with a lot of the liberal idiot that were brainwashed in schools to believe in global warming. Even when the doom and gloom predictions of Reverend Al Gore never materialized the just adjusted their religion to climate change and the followers continue to believe the bullshit.
It is why schools need to refrain from pushing fringe theory and bullshit and stick with teaching facts.
100% accurate post
shareIt doesn't matter because people who believe in a higher power are happier and live better lives than non believers who usually have a huge empty void inside themselves.
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I think some people deep down don't believe but still try to because it makes them feel better or allows them to cope with reality. I once had a guy whose daughter had died in a car crash explain that the reason he started going back to church because it was the only way he could deal with his daughter's death - the belief that he would somehow see her again when he died.
If religion takes the place of drugs or alcohol for people like him, it isn't that big of a deal. Religions only get fucked when they start telling their members to convert others, interfere with what other people can do or kill nonbelievers.
Like the old saying goes. Religion is regarded by the common person as true; by the wise as fake and by the rulers as useful. Different religions were created in all corners of the world way back by the rulers to control their populations. Today its all nonsense. Our politicians still use it today when they talk about god. Deep down every one of them knows its sheer nonsense, but no atheist will ever get elected
shareNot even original "non" fiction as it turns out:
The Israelites took from the Sumerians
The Christians took from the mystery cults
Islam took from the Christians and Jews
"Tribulations". Yeah, believers have a spin and an answer for every rational objection. They've had millennia to get their talking points together. You can't reason with them.
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