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The three deleted numbers from this film.


I am always puzzled by the fact that 3 numbers were "allegedly shot" - and, according to "Trivia": These numbers were "Recorded and allegedly shot but subsequently deleted".
When this film was originally released in the UK I saw it at the only theatre that had wide screen and stereophonic sound. I can assure you that those numbers were definitely in the film. I particularly remember Anna singing "Shall I tell you what I think of you". She had had a disagreement/upset with the King, she returned to her room, sat before a mirrored dressing table and, as she brushed her hair, started the song to her reflection.
Does anyone else remember seeing these numbers? I know it's not a figment of my imagination as I met a friend this morning and we discussed it once again - we know we saw these numbers.
So why does the studio insist on saying things like "allegedly shot". I now that they were in the original release - at least in the one that reached the UK!
As the King says: "Is a puzzlement".

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It sucks that 'Shall I Tell You What I Think of You' was cut...it's my favorite song besides 'Shall We Dance.. :(

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Songs, scenes, interludes of all kinds are often "deleted" from film versions because often the reason for their presence is no longer valid. Film's ability to telescope time amnost without limit precludes the need for a song to allow for the complete change of a set behind an Act Curtain in the theatre, for example, which the distraction of a song was meant to cover.

Songs are added and cut from Broadway shows on out-of-town tryouts all the time, for the sake of the show - sometimes just to keep the running time short enough to allow the audiences to catch their late trains back to Connecticut - or so it was in the heyday of the great Broadway musical...so why are we denying the fimmaker the same flxebilty to trim or re-arrange the film adaptation for the best effect? A film is NOT a carbon copy of what was done on stage, it has a life and an artistic rationale of its own.

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I have seen a stage version of the king and I. I think 'I have dreamed' has been removed because the scene it is in is replaced by a completly diferent scene. In the original version of the show it is when they are sitting down to dinner in the film.

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I was so ticked that they deleted 'My Lord and Master' from the movie. It would have extended Rita Moreno's screen time and her character's views on the king and his ways.

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"My Lord and Master" is, hands down, my faovrite song in the score and I hate the fact that it is not in this film.

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Also missing from the video track were "My Lord and Master" and one of the love songs between Lun Tha and Tuptim (either "We Kiss in a Shadow" or "I Have Dreamed," I'm not sure which).

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What is a "video track"?

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I'm currently performing the stage version of 'The king and I' and I am very sorry that 'Shall I tell you what I think of you?' was cut from the film, as it is my favourite song from this musical, as it is very funny!

'Western People Funny' is also a wonderful song that is sung by Lady Tiang and the wives when they are getting dressed up for the english (right before the 'undergarments' scene) and they are singing about 'swollen skirts' and the shoes they have wear ect. ect. ect. (sorry lame King and I joke)

'My Lord and Master' was also cut from the film. It is sung by Tuptim after she is told that the king is pleased with her after she has been presented to him.

Also the Lun tha and Tuptim scences are really changed around for the movie. For instence, the part where Tuptim talks to Anna about needing her to help see Lun tha isn't even in the musical, we just learn though dialogue that 'Mrs Anna was our only friend'.

Also I'm not sure if they left out I have dreamed, though I'm pretty sure they left out alot of the instrument only reprises of something wonderful, hello young lovers and my lord and master. And of cource they left out all the incidentals, scene changes and the inverval and entr'act music.

Also the repise of 'I whistle a happy tune', which in the stage version, is sung before the final ultimo, is left out of the film completelly.

Finaly a bit of usless trivia, the diaglogue where we are first introduced to the book 'Uncle Tom's Cabin/ Small house of uncle thomas' and hear the converstation about a woman writing a book takes place when tuptim is presented to the king in the stage play, whereas in the movie it takes place in the school room.

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I know "Shall I Tell You What I Think of You" , "I have Dreamed", and "My Lord and Master" (my faovrite song in the score) were all on the original soundtrack album that I owned when I was a kid, but they were not in the film so I'm assuming they were cut after the initial release because it was felt the film was too long.

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Hi
I also remember seeing the numbers on a release in the UK it would have been about 1970 I saw the film at the Classic Cinema in Brighton ( which unfortunately is not there now) and I know that the numbers were in the film!!! After the King had inspected Tuptim in their first scene together see remained on the seated on the floor and sang 'My Lord And Master'. And Deborah Kerr definitely sat on the floor singing 'Shall I tell you what I think of you' and at the end of the number lay flat on her stomach as if she was kicked from behind.
After watching The King And I after this all of these scenes were missing I even showed a 35mm print in Australia in the 1990's and the original Overture and Intermission were missing!!!!!
I wish that 20th Century Fox would find these scenes and add them back into the film as 'Shall I tell You' song definitely adds a different prospective to Anna and the King's relationship and tells you what Anna was thinking at the time!!!. I feel that the movie suffers because these 3 scenes are no longer included!!

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That jibes with my vague childhood memory of being taken to see this movie when it first came out in the 50s, but I thought I was just imagining it from having heard the Broadway musical soundtrack so often. Now that you mention it I think I remember her lurching forward and saying; "OH! That felt GOOD, Your Majesty!" and rubbing her behind.

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Acording to a book "shall i tell you what i think of you" was the only one that was filmed". Mind you the same book also says that "i have dreamed was not recorded". Very clever considering it is on the soundtrack album.

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"Shall I Tell You What I Think Of You" was the only number actually filmed. The song "I Have Dreamed" must have been cut fairly early after the production of the film began. Only Lun Tha's VOCAL was recorded, at the same time all the vocal tracks were. They were [generally] recorded to a very soft piano in the background, most likely weeks or months before filming began. The orchestra was recorded separately at a later time, and then dubbed in. Sometime during or before recording the underscore for "I Have Dreamed", the decision was made to cut the song from the film, and so it was never scored or recorded. However, the orchestra did record this number later on for the Capitol soundtrack Lp, at the time they recorded the lavish and overly-long Overture on that record. That would also be when they recorded various introductions and endings for songs that didn't already have such in the film's version, such as the choral second half of "I Whistle A Happy Tune" that does not appear in the film. The written orchestrations for "I Have Dreamed" don't exist in Fox's archives with the rest of the film's score, and the orchestra used the existing Broadway scoring instead for the Lp. I believe this was also done for the 1992 studio recording with Julie Andrews, as that recording was based on the 1956 film.

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So presumably tuptim's vocal for "i have dreamed" was recorded at the same time as the orchestra.

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Sorry, forgot that Tuptim was also in that number. Recorded at the time of the other vocals.

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Thats more logical. On another post I said the most likely reason for the song being cut is that the scene it is in is missing. It is replaced by the dinner scene (which happens off stage in the show as it was originaly written).

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<<The written orchestrations for "I Have Dreamed" don't exist in Fox's archives with the rest of the film's score, and the orchestra used the existing Broadway scoring instead for the Lp. I believe this was also done for the 1992 studio recording with Julie Andrews, as that recording was based on the 1956 film.>>

The liner notes for the Julie Andrews CD state that the orchestrations for "I Have Dreamed" had to be completed for that very recording. I always wondered why that was so, but your answer that the orchestrations aren't in Fox's archives explains that -- which must mean that the orchestrations on the soundtrack recording must differ from the Broadway orchestrations, otherwise why would work be needed to complete them for the Andrews recording? The difference in size alone between the Broadway pit orchestra of The King and I and the Fox studio orchestra would necessitate some kind of work, not to mention the keys, which I believe are lower. I also recall that the original "I Have Dreamed" accompaniment has a "triplet" figure in the bass that sounds rather dated today, and I don't think this is in the soundtrack orchestration (1, bum-bum-bum, 3, bum-bum-bum, 1, bum-bum-bum, 3, bum-bum-bum, etc. -- very corny!)


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What book?

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It is a book I have caled "Broadway to Hollywood", it contains a lot of mistakes. For instance it says that on stage in "west side storry", The Quintet closes the first half.

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Be careful about trusting that book, laurence01. The stage version of West Story ends with the Rumble, which is after the Quintet. The first act curtain falls as the church bell tolls nine o'clock, with the dead bodies of Bernardo and Riff on stage.


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"Be careful about trusting that book, laurence01. The stage version of West Story ends with the Rumble, which is after the Quintet. The first act curtain falls as the church bell tolls nine o'clock, with the dead bodies of Bernardo and Riff on stage."



I'm well aware of that. I was just using it as an example of the errors in the book. Another one concerns "show boat". The writer complained about the original album saying that "ava gardener" was singing. But most people know that she did sing on the album. Her voice for the film was not dubbed until just before release (long after the album masters had been struck).

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It is possible that the "Quintet" in "West Side Story" was intended to close the first half of the film version. This is because the order of some of the songs were changed for the film. The "Quintet" does not close the first half of the stage version; the first act curtain comes down at the end of the rumble, as the police siren sounds and Tony yells "Maria!" - just after he realizes that he has killed Bernardo, her brother.

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"It is possible that the "Quintet" in "West Side Story" was intended to close the first half of the film version. This is because the order of some of the songs were changed for the film. The "Quintet" does not close the first half of the stage version; the first act curtain comes down at the end of the rumble, as the police siren sounds and Tony yells "Maria!" - just after he realizes that he has killed Bernardo, her brother."



No this is wrong. The special edition DVD has the interval intact. It is between the war council, and bridal shop scenes. Thus the second half of the film opens with exactly the same song as the second half of the show did (even though it is in a completly different place).

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According to the New York Times, the numbers were cut before the film's premiere. This is from the 1956 Times review:

"Most of the memorable numbers are here and are beautifully done, from "I Whistle a Happy Tune" to the zealous and rollicking "Shall We Dance?" And the few that have been omitted — the slave girl Tuptim's "My Lord and Master" is one, and another is Anna's acrimonious "Shall I Tell You What I Think of You?" — are not missed in the general extravagance of melody and décor."

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Are you sure that "My Lord and Master" was never filmed? For some reason, I remember seeing that number when I saw the film as a child or is that just wishful thinking?

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"Shall I Tell You What I think of you?", "My Lord and Master", "Anna and the King", and "I Have Dreamed" are all on the original soundtrack album but have been cut from all existing prints of the film.

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Can you explain what you mean by "anna and the king". Because there is no such song. The only other song I can think of is "song of the king", this was replaced by dialogue saying almost the same as the lyrics of the song did.

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On the soundtrack album, this exchange is called "Anna and the King"


King: A woman is a female who is human

Designed for pleasing man the human male

The human male is pleased by many women

And all the rest you hear is fairy tale

Anna: SO tell me how this fairy tale began sir

You cannot call it just a poets trick

Explain to me why many men are faithful and true to one wife only?

King: They are sick

A woman must be like a blossom

With honey for just one man

A man must be like honey bee and gather all he can

To fly from blossom to blossom, the honey bee must be free\

But blossom must not ever fly from bee to bee to bee!

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Sorry but on my copy (and every copy I have ever seen in my life) it is called "song of the king".

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I think you're right...I stand corrected.

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It IS a figment of your imagination!

The world premiere, held in New York, in June 1956 did not have any of these scenes. The NY Times reviewer even noted the fact that some songs, including Shall I Tell You and others, were gone, but not missed.

Two songs made to rough cut and preview versions, "Shall I Tell You" and "I have Dreamed". Production chief DF Zanuck ordered them cut at the last minute BEFORE the offical world premieres held in NY and LA. Zanuck refused to allow the movie to exceed 135 minutes. They have never been part of ANY released version. You may have seen a sneak preview with the songs included, but I doubt the movie was sneaked in UK. Also, "Lord and Master" was recorded but never filmed, or included in the final shooting script. Other cuts made before the premiere: brief reprises of Puzzlement, which preceeded the cut Shall I Tell You and brief reprise of Hello Young Lovers which ended a longer scene between Anna and Tumptim when Anna first arrives in her rooms. Some brief dramatic moments were cut as well, mostly before and during the banquet scene. All these details are included in the 40th anniversay special edition laser set. Also some of these details are mentioned in the latest DVD set. Unfortunatley the cut preview footage remains lost.

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Also, "Lord and Master" was recorded but never filmed,

That must be what I remember...listening to it on the soundtrack. "My Lord and Master" is my favorite song in the score.

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