I love Rita Moreno (Tuptim) but that scene when she is in the garden with her lover, Lun Tha (Carlos Rivas), has the worst and most exaggerated acting ever. And knowing that Rita is an amazing actress, I blame it on Carlos Rivas. The acting is so exaggerated that it's funny, instead of being romantic.
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Well, considering that she was a Hispanic trying to do an Asian's broken English...
shareI watched the film last night on Fox Movies. Moreno was terrific as Tuptim, but Rivas' exaggerated lip-synching has to be one of the worst captured on film.
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I have to agree Rivas is hilarious in this scene. His over acting and lip syncing is over the top. To me he sounds like he has a New York accent when he sings. I thought I was the only one how noticed how out of place he looks. This is my all time favorite movie.
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Parts of the dialogue in this scene strike me as clichéd and artificial -- especially the opening lines between Lun Tha and Tuptim. In my mind, this material is definitely not up to the level of the show as a whole. I remember once thinking to myself something like this: "Ugh! If I had to deliver those lines, I'd probably gag." Rivas makes me more ill at ease than Moreno does; but I am willing to give both actors the benefit of the doubt, considering the material they had to work with.
Point of information: Rivas didn't do his own singing. Reuben Fuentes dubbed for him.
BTW, the dialogue we hear in this film is from post-shooting sessions. Ditto for the 1956 screen version of Carousel. The CinemaScope-55 cameras used for these two features made so much noise that the dialogue soundtracks were rendered useless. Consequently, the actors had to re-dub their lines in the studio.
"Point of information: Rivas didn't do his own singing."
That much was blatently obvious, they could have at least tried to match his singer with his own voice. I hated that song merely for the fact that it was so obviously dubbed.
I'm anespeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericumbobulations...
What I don't get is why they used him at all. I mean maybe if he was a really good actor you can forgive the fact that he's not singing(case in point Deborah Kerr as Anna) or if he was a fabulous singer you can forgive a weak acting performance because really he has such a small role in the film as a whole. But his acting was abysmal and he's not a singer. So why cast him?
Ashleigh Bright - My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
Despite being an excellent singer, Rita Moreno's songs were also dubbed. Look at the IMDB credits list. She's also dubbed even in West Side Story.
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I went to see Rita Moreno a few years ago (probably ten years ago)at the Gusman Theatre in Miami (before a screening of The King and I) and she said that Carlos Rivas was so bad in that scene that she did not knwo what to do. She was bewildered. You're right without knowing it.
I've seen this movie many times and I've never been able to catch Brynner's last words. They go something like this: "So it has been said by someone that has been trained for royal government". This sentence comes after: "No more bowing before the King, no more respect...". Or something like that.
What actor's last words in an Academy Award winning film are: "The race...the race is not over!"
By the way my name is Franklin. Hi!
That is exactly what Brynner's last lines were.
I'm anespeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericumbobulations...
Hi little-miss-choclate: It's nice to see someone so young interested in classic cinema. My daughter is a techaer and 27 years old. She's not sure who Pual Newman was. When she was a little girl she used to love "Imitation of Life", the Lana Turner version. She also liked "Eastern Parade" and "Meet Me in St. Louis". But that's as far the relatonship between old movies and my daughter went. For her an "old movie" is anything produced prior to 1990. A long time ago she saw An Affair to Remember. She told me that it was a nice film but that she would have liked it more with other actors. Other actors? Cary Grant adn Deborah Kerr ...and she wants other actors!!
So I got Brynner's last lines right? That wonderful king deserved much better last words. Did you know that in "Anna and the King of Siam", Rex Harrison's (badly miscast as the King) last words are: "Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera..." Now, that's a line worthy of a king!! Ask anyone who's last words are those, and they will tell you: "Yul Brynner in The King and I" And you can tell them: Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You did not answer my trivia question: Who's last words (in a picture) are: "The race...the race is not over".
I have another one: "Never the luck...never the luck".
And the easy one: "The horror...the horror".
The key to memorable last words is to repeat everything you say at least twice.
Please reply.
franklin
Whilst I do like many older films, I've only really seen some of the classics. As such, I'm afraid I am unable to answer any of your trivia questions (which really shocks me, as movie trivia is often one of my strong points).
And how could anyone want anyone but Deborah Jerr in a film is beyond me. I've only seen her in this one film, and I already love her.
I like Audrey Hepburn, but I much prefer her earlier films - Sabrina and A Roman Holiday, for example. But then, I'm not much of a fan of 60's cinema, anyway.
One of my favourite films is Casablanca - I actually cracked up at several of Captain Renault's lines, which left my friends somewhat baffled: "You say Third Reich as though there will be another." "Well personally, sir, I will take what comes." It's a brilliant film - it's got everything: humour, sadness, love etc, etc, etc :-D.
I'm anespeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericumbobulations...
I fell in love with cinema since I was 2 years old, and saw my first movie: "Joan of Arc" with Ingrid Bergman. At 14 or 15 I became a filmbuff (I lived in Washington DC for a while and went to the movies every day; saw many silents at the AFI Theatre as well as many European classics in a movie-house a few blocks from the White House. I don't remember the name of that movie-house, It began with a "C". Those where also the good old days of the Late Show, the Late Late Show and the Late Late Late Show. I sleep very little.
I became a film critict in my country's main newspaper when I was 18, and I have been writing for that newspaper ever since, for 40 years!! But I live in the US since 1985 (I send my reviews now via email--for a few years by regular mail). In my country I was a lawyer. In here I work as a translator. I don't make my living writing about the movies, that's a labour of love.
You should know the answer to: "The horror...the horror". Those are Marlon Brando's last words in Apocalypse Now! You know now.
As for "The race...the race is not over", I'm sure you can figure this one out. Just think about it.
"Never the luck...never the luck" is very difficult. These are Richard Conte's last words in Ocean's Eleven (the Frank Sinatra version).
And ONE new question for you: In "Casablanca", how come Peter Lorre says when he shows the letters of transit to Humphrey Bogart that they were signed "by General DeGaulle himself". General DeGaulle was the leader of the French Resistance. In Nazi dominated Morocco, letters of transit signed by DeGaulle would have no effect whatsoever. Quite the contrary!!
Tonight they are showing in TCM 3 of the pivotal movies of the 60's, The Graduate, Bonnie and Clyde and In the Heat fo the Night. A few days ago they showed Deborah Kerr's most beutiful performance: Tea and Sympathy.
I'm always happy to see young people intereste in Classic cinema. Your remind me of me (in better times).
franklin
... saw many silents at the AFI Theatre as well as many European classics in a movie-house a few blocks from the White House. I don't remember the name of that movie-house, It began with a "C".
I'm fairly certain that you're talking about the old Circle Theatre at 21st and Pennsylvania where you could buy a book of 10 tickets for $10. Back in the day the Circle and the Biograph (a few blocks further west in Georgetown) were DC's major retrospective movie houses.
And how could anyone want anyone but Deborah Kerr in a film is beyond me. I've only seen her in this one film, and I already love her.
Miss Moreno has been known to knock a co-star or two in her interviews.
"Somewhere along the line the world has lost all of its standards and all of its taste."
fcalderp, I think the answer to the last line "The race...the race is not over!" is Stephen Boyd in the 1959 version of "Ben-Hur."
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The acting is superb here, and I personally think it is much better than the animated version, where they rewrote the story.
Rita and Carlos did their best but there is a limit to what you can do with such limited material.
here the star is Yul Brynner and Deborah Kerr comes second, the rest? well they just put their best face and that's all.