I think the guy who plays Toro is about the worst actor I have ever seen....I think he ruins this movie...the guy is such a moron....learning that he was a professional wrestler in the 50's leads me to believe he was a moron in real life...ugh....he makes my stomach turn....Out of all the Bogart movies...he is the worst character/actor in any of them...just bad, bad, bad,,,.......
shareWhy is he a bad actor? The charcacter is meant to be dumb, so all the role requires is for him to act like a big dumb foreigner, which he does, what is so bad about his acting, you can't really judge him based on this role.
share> Why is he a bad actor? The charcacter is meant to be dumb, so all the role requires is for him to act like a big dumb foreigner, which he does, what is so bad about his acting, you can't really judge him based on this role.
You're assuming a "dumb person" can act, because all he has to do is "be himself" (if his assigned role is that of Dumb Person).
But this is a complete fallacy.
You'll give them the script, but they wont be able to emote (or know what to emote) for any given line. (Remember they're dumb.)
You almost always have to be much, much smarter than the character you are trying to represent. People train, for years, for decades, in order to effortlessly appear dumb.
When we watch a dumb character, in order to be at all interesting, they must demonstrate the capacity for growth, for the ability to reach out of their (current) dumb status. Eg, Marlon Brando's character in "A Streetcar Named Desire" or Brando's character in "On the Waterfront" or (well anything by Brando).
No I am lookng at the movie and he is pretty good. Considering he comes from Pennslyvania and not South America. He plays the part the way it was written. He wasn't suppose ot be the brightest light in the hallway and there was something about his performance that was very touching.
shareearning that he was a professional wrestler in the 50's leads me to believe he was a moron in real life...ugh
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If you thought he was a big, dumg, lug, he must be a good actor.
shareMike Lane wasn't a professional actor, he was a wrestler (which, granted, may require a kind of acting talent). Considering he wasn't Argentinian or the simple dope that "Toro Moreno" was, I think he did a very credible job, with some real pathos, a thoroughy realistic and convincing portrayal of the character. He's still around (76 this month, Jan. '09) and acted off and on in movies and TV until the mid-'90s. I thought the OP's post was really pretty nasty and missed the point entirely.
shareI think the original poster is just fishing for a response. They're exaggerating upon some minor imperfection and acting like it was a huge detriment to the film. The only real flaw I saw in Toro is that his punches didn't look realistic. If I were seeing that kind of weak punching at home, I'd be questioning if the fights were fixed or not. It looked like he was in on the act and did a poor job of selling the realism behind the blows. Instead, his character was fully unaware that he'd been set up and so those punches were supposed to be legitimate. Most of them looked like they barely made contact.
In any event, it's still a great film in spite of some minor flaw. It'd be like me saying that The African Queen was a terrible move because the scene involving the swarm of mosquitoes had rather poor special effects. Better yet, maybe I should say that Citizen Kane is ruined because the island resort had pterodactyls flying in the background, a mistake caused by the island footage being taken from 1933's Son of Kong.
Great films can have minor flaws. It doesn't ruin them unless you let it ruin them.
>>>> I think the original poster is just fishing for a response.
I see this kind of response increasingly on this website. So you think that the OP actually thought that the actor did a good job, and deliberately made a post to the contrary? I think it's extremely rare that people go to the time and effort to compose a post just to annoy some anonymous strangers.
I think the OP meant his post sincerely. I actually have mixed feelings about the job the actor did, so I can understand where the OP is coming from. And yet, I can also see the points of the people defending the actor.
It's fascinating how when people find others disagreeing with their point of view, there is a tendency to completely dismiss the possibility that the person disagreeing is sincere.
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OP is too over the top to be serious.
You are incorrect,sir.
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He acted like a moron doesn't mean he was one, do you think Dustin Hoffman is really dub after seeing Rain Man?
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i think he did a fine role. He came across as being so pathetic I felt sorry for him which to the best of my knowledge was the intent of the character. I was annoyed by the fact that he fought like a sissy in the ring (the way he threw his punches) but the more i think of it, again maybe this was the intended effect to show he really couldnt fight worth a damn and made him all the more pathetic. Plus he pulled he did a decent job of pulling off the accent. Oscar for Mike Lane !
shareMike Lane wasn't a moron in real life, kimpunkrock. The movie was loosely based on Primo Carnera, the giant Italian who was handled by unscrupulous management in the 1930's.
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Mike Lane was no Laurence Olivier or even Rod Steiger but he didn't do a bad job in this movie. He conveyed what he was supposed to convey--a big dumb lug who was sympathetic because he was used by nearly everyone around him. The character of Toro was a decent and likable guy whose biggest flaw was that he couldn't see through the devious machinations of others.
shareI liked the performance. I don't think the actor himself was a retard, it was just very authentic acting. I think he also succeeded in making the character lovable. He was dumb-witted, sure. But unlike the people who used him, he cared for other people. He was devoted to his parents, especially his mother, and to his fatherly friend, Agrandi. He helped the hooker pick up her money and prayed for Dundee. He was willing to give up boxing for the sake of his mother and the deceased opponent. And when Eddie told him the truth, he didn't hold a grudge against him, even though Eddie, too, betrayed him. He truly was a victim of a money-making scheme. If Toro had himself been a cunning character, Eddie would never have had a guilty conscience because of his behavior.
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