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Would still love to see a prequel


I think it would have to be done in retro style to fit in with the original. I think the creative department would have a lot of fun imagining up gadgets based on the 1950's version of the future.

I would love to see the Bellerophon leaving Earth with perhaps some Earth scenes too.

Incidentally Bellerophon was a hero from Greek mythology. He was actually a slayer of monsters which is a bit ironic seeing the most of the crew were actually slain by a monster.

Perhaps there's a message there in that when it come to slaying physical monsters a hero will always triumph but psychological monsters can turn the tables - perhaps referring to how brave soldiers can suffer a lifetime of trauma after a war.

What modern actor could play Morbius? Ideas ....

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Actually, that's a pretty good idea, ewaf. It could be a terrific film if done properly -- see the Bellerophon arrive on Altair-4 and the ensuing events that Morbius described in outline in the Forbidden Planet.

But absent the revelation of the monster from the Id in the original, how would we account for the events that unfolded on the first expedition (i.e., the Id monster killing off the crew and vaporizing the ship)? It would be difficult to find a means to reveal it outright, since at the end everyone else was dead and Morbius himself didn't realize its source until Adams showed it to him. One way might be for Mrs. Morbius to have figured it out and tell it to a disbelieving Morbius, which eventually triggers the Id to kill her...but his mind (perhaps manipulated unconsciously by his Id) blocks out his memories of both what she'd said and the true nature of her horrific death, and he instead becomes convinced that she died of natural causes.

Maybe that's kind of a stretch, but we'd have to have some way of pre-explaining what's up in the prequel...which will be exposed and confronted again, 20 years later.

As for who could play Morbius, obviously it'd have to be a much younger actor, someone 30 or so (or who at least looks that age). For some reason Jake Gyllenhaal comes to mind -- he's 35 now, but he has a vague similarity in looks that could pass for a young Morbius as played by Walter Pidgeon. There may be better choices available, but I think he could pull it off from the physical, acting and persona standpoints.

I would love to see the scene where the Bellerophon is vaporized!

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Good point - I hadn't thought about the revelation and the key point it played in the original.

We don't know the exact crew mixture - but the Bellerophon was being sent out to begin a colony so I guess it would have been an even mix. The script does say that the ship was full of prospecting scientists both men and women.

Morbius sent his ID out to murder because the crew wanted to return to Earth so I guess this would have to be explained as what scientist would want to leave the discovery of a lifetime.

I guess they all came to the consensus that the advanced technology should be shared and Morbius just couldn't cope with the thought with his expended intellect.

It would be very important to have empathy with the key crew members because - as we would already know their fate - it would make you dread the ending when their ship gets destroyed.

A good director will probably make you feel that they're going to escape right until the last moment.

I think following the crew around as they discover the Krell wonders would be great and of course there would be a horrible death scene when the captain uses the brain booster.

Then of course there would be the individual deaths - including women - as a confused crew become more and more paranoid and frightened.

After the Bellerophon is destroyed we could have a short finale where we see Altaira being born - the death of Morbius's wife and work started on Robby.

Flash forward 20 years or so and lights come on on Morbius's control panel - and unknown ship is on it way.

Of interest : Krell metal was described as 100 times stronger than steel - Graphene is 300 times stronger.

According to IMDB Forbidden Planet is under development.

Jake Gyllenhaal - would be a good choice.





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There have been many movies of course where we know the ultimate outcome, yet as you say a good director can keep us in suspense -- we forget what we intellectually know will happen and find ourselves caught up in the suspense anyway. So that probably shouldn't be a problem. Besides, at this juncture we can't assume everybody has seen Forbidden Planet, so a prequel might be a surprise for a lot of people.

Of course, they'd have to either cop many of the effects scenes from the original -- the Krell machine and underground -- or reproduce them pretty much as they appeared in 1956, without too many updates or refinements. How well they could do this to satisfy modern audiences, especially those who have not seen the original, is another question. But the can't have a drastically different conception if the original is to continue to be the template.

You're right, though, there are so many plot and scene possibilities, just based on what we learned from FP, that there'd be no problem creating a prequel. You could also add some details not previously alluded to, as long as they didn't conflict with anything in the original film.

I've been hearing for ages that a remake of FP has been being planned. I'll believe it when I see it. If not a prequel, perhaps an expanded story that would include the events pertaining to the Bellerophon (which would otherwise be the subject of a prequel), then lead into the remake of the 1956 film, would be a better way of telling the complete Forbidden Planet saga.

This would also obviate the need to invent some torturous means of keeping the ultimate revelation of the nature of the killings contained, as you would have to in a straight prequel. An all-encompassing film, including both the prequel elements as well as the remake of '56, wouldn't have to worry about more than one revelation of the Id monster: at the end, as in the original. In fact, this would make the suspense even better -- seeing what happened 20 years ago, leaving it at the vaporization of the Bellerophon, then fading to 20 years later, and the events that unfold with the arrival of the rescue ship.

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A good case in point for creating tension when we know the outcome is the film United 93 directed by Paul Greengrass. Right until the end I was still praying that they would somehow survive.

By the way Paul used to live in the same estate as my family and I once went to one of his parties when we were both kids. He had a bit of a crush on my sister. Recently we exchanged messages and he told me that he would like to remake Quatermass and the Pit.

I don't think modern audiences would mind the special effects to be the same for continuity reasons - indeed some may enjoy the 50's retro look. As mentioned in my earlier post so much fun could be had dreaming up futuristic gadgets from a 50's perspective.

Plot wise I wonder if some of the crew were beginning to suspect Morbius was behind the attacks? With their paranoia increasing it could lead to a memorable attempt at escape scene.

The is a new page for Forbidden planet on the IMDB - but it's anyone's guess if it ever gets made. I would prefer a straight prequel although as sequels of classic movies go - Invasion of the body snatchers (1979) was very good. As with your idea it had a sort of introduction (the seeds arriving on Earth) which then lead to the original story.

Personally I think the story of the Bellerophon and its crew deserves a full film although it would have to be better than the prequel to 'The Thing' which in my mind lacked imagination.

As for the ID - it was there because of Pure creation. Well in the context of the film it almost comes across as an oxymoron. Poor Morbius.



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Well, to bring it back to outer space, Ron Howard did a terrific job of creating suspense in Apollo 13, where we all knew how the flight ended. There are lot of films about historical events that manage suspense even though we know how things turned out. No reason this couldn't be done with a prequel or remake of Forbidden Planet.

I agree that a pure prequel would be preferable, but a longer movie incorporating both the prequel and the remake would be acceptable -- if maybe too long!

But you make an excellent plot point about the diminishing number of Bellerophon crew members perhaps gradually realizing that somehow Morbius, untouched by this invisible menace, was being left alone while the rest were getting picked ff. Whether they'd make the connection to the Krell "brain boost" -- well, I suppose they should. This would make for a great climax where the remaining three try to save themselves by secretly taking off the Bellerophon -- as Morbius's outraged subconscious, fearful of is secret power being discovered, vaporizes the ship.

Which also brings another critical point to the fore. Those last three deaths were the only ones not committed by Morbius's id monster. Instead, his mind simply caused the ship to disintegrate. This raises two questions: first, how far does the power of Morbius's mind physically extend? How far from Altair-4 does a ship have to be to be beyond the reach of Morbius's power -- or is that power infinite? And second, why didn't Morbius's mind create alternate ways of killing the rescue crew besides the monster? Why didn't his subconscious simply vaporize the star cruiser and everyone in it, and be done with it? Well, obviously because that would have ended the movie. But there is a bit of a gap in logic here.

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Yes Ron Howard did do a terrific job. He made you really feel for the crew and even made the life or death maneuver to align the stricten spacecraft with Earth exciting despite the fact we knew they succeeded.

Now regarding the prequel and remake of the original perhaps they could make two films. I still don't think that you could have adequate character development and storytelling even in say a 3 1/2 hour film.

Like - for example - Aliens - we must get to know the crew properly so we emphasise with them and feel their fear. As I'm sure there were more couples on board than just Morbius and his wife Julia you could have the horrible scenario of the crew losing their loved ones.

Regarding your final points - I've actually read parts of the script and can't see a specific reference where it says that it's the power of Morbius's mind that destroys the ship and not his ID. Perhaps the reference is not where I think it is or maybe you've read the novelisation. However I'm not sure how (scientifically speaking) a human mind could influence matter over a distance.

To influence anything it would have to emit some kind of force - and force requires energy. Now the ID could destroy things because it effectively had unlimited power on tap. But the amount of energy needed to vapourise something would be huge.

Looking around the net it's been calculated that it would need 8 billion joules of energy to vaporise just 5 20 foot long steel beams so one would think far more to vapourise a whole ship. So let's take a guess at 200 billion joules. Now where would the human body store that amount of energy? Unless of course somehow the mind could start an atomic chain reaction - in which case the resulting explosion would have devastated a large area.


As to why he didn't destroy the cruiser by vaporising it I'm sure his 'submerged' feelings of guilt prevented him from doing so. Remember it wasn't his conscious mind doing the killings so he couldn't control the type of deaths that both crews suffered. I would surmise that because of his guilt his subconscious only killed poor Quin at first because of his attempts to contact Earth.








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Yes, two films -- prequel followed by remake -- would certainly be preferable. I just wonder, given today's movie-making mentality that demands the possibility of endless sequels (especially for sci-fi films), whether any studio would be agreeable to limit itself to just those two films. I don't know where else they could take this essentially single linear story, but if they could I have no doubt they'd muck up the story by turning it into an increasingly artificial franchise instead of letting the two films stand alone and tell the entire story.

Now, you're right, it may have been the Id monster that did the vaporizing, but it still begs the question of how far the monster's powers (or Morbius's mind) can reach. Of course, the Bellerophon was vaporized as it tried to lift off, so there was no issue of distance involved there. But how far, and in what manner, can the Id tap the Krell machine's power? Of course, ultimately it's Morbius's mind that makes all this happen (directly or indirectly), but if his actions are in effect channeled via his Id monster, albeit subconsciously, there should be limits to how far the machine can supply the power to the Id, or rather, how far the Id can project that power. This might prove an important consideration in the plot of a sequel or a remake.

Of course, the amount of power available to the subconscious (or the Id) is almost limitless, as we learn from Commander Adams when he confronts Morbius near the end, so the amount of energy required for the Id's actions doesn't seem to be an issue. The Krell machine can provide whatever's needed, for any purpose.

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Yes the last thing needed would be a franchise. Two films would be enough although I expect if they were both successful a film company just wouldn't be able to resist the chance to milk it.

Coming this Summer 'Forbidden Planet the Return' -

Gape as Commander Adam's marital bliss turns into a nightmare as Altaria realises that he's not the only game in town on a crowded Earth. Sob as he ends it all by stepping into a household disintegrator beam.

Gasp at Robby the Robot's amazing fall from grace as he's caught in a compromising position with a vacuum cleaner

Cheer as the cook leaves being a chef forever as he opens his own digital music shop based on Krell technology.

Regarding the projection of the ID and its range that's a tough one. But they have now had limited success in creating a simple image in thin air without the need for a screen.

Well we know it's some kind of projection which forms 'living' solid matter (that's continually renewing itself) - but it's also invisible. Well that's a nice easy physics degree question.

Here's my solution. An advanced 3D printer creates living cells into a form dictated by brainwaves. In a transmitter there are exactly the same number and type type of atoms which have been entangled (quantum entanglement) with those in the 3D printer. These are then sent just as single atoms to the desired location on the planet where the entanglement is activated and the life form created. The invisibility is created by some special gravitational lensing which allows light to be bent around the creature so you see what is behind it.

When it is hit by the blaster beams and disintegrated more quantum entangled atoms immediately fill the space where the creature was and form a new life form until that is disintegrated. So in effect it's constantly renewing itself.

Science fiction - well we can already grow ears and replacement noses in a lab and they say that one day cells could be printed. We can already entangle atoms so that what happens to one atom happens to its partner. As far as the projection of atoms is concerned I have no idea.

So all we need now is the money ($250m for two films) a good screenplay - great Director and a collection of excellent character actors. Over to you.


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Hi ewaf58.

When I first saw this film I was very intrigued by what had happened to the colonists. I wished we had seen some flashbacks to explain, but as I have grown older I realise that flashbacks are unnecessary.

Several films have scenes where a character comes across a deserted room (such as the abandoned Norwegian base in John Carpenter's The Thing),you wonder what went on there? The power of such scenes I think, is that you are left to imagine what occurred, what you imagine can be so much more scary and powerful than if you were shown a flashback.

The more I watch Forbidden Planet I still imagine what the colonists experienced and wonder how they met their end. I think the film would lose something if there was a scene where we were shown that.

I don't think a prequel (no matter how well done)is necessary for this film. Look at the prequel to John Carpenter's film The Thing. In the 80's film part of the horror lay in you imagining what had occurred at the Norwegian base. Although the prequel wasn't a bad film it just seemed pretty pointless to me, we know those who worked there met a bad end, did we really need to be shown it?

Maybe if it was done well in the way you describe it might work, but I just don't think it's necessary.


Go to bed Frank or this is going to get ugly .

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Well of course I'll have to disagree. I understand your point of view but I strongly feel that there is an interesting story to be told about the lives of the colonists.

The prequel to The Thing was decent but wasn't imaginative enough to succeed - I wasn't gripped by the story.

Going back to Forbidden planet - I don't know if you've read all the posts between myself and Hobnob but I feel that we've made a good case for a prequel.

Remember there would also be a remake of the original so the prequel would more readily tie in with it insteading of devaluing the original.

But this is all conjecture as I haven't got $250m in my bank account to fund both films - can you help by any chance? ☺

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I like your ideas (two posts back) for an FP sequel -- not prequel -- of what happens after they get back to Earth. So now that's three films!

I've always wondered whether the crew listened at the Captain's door after he and Altaira were shacked up on the return voyage. After all, cooped up for 378 days would surely lead to lots of psycho-sexual problems -- the film's optimism on this topic notwithstanding. I suspect having a beautiful woman on board among the remaining 13 men (12 others, excluding Adams) would make things considerably more trying.

Plus only the Captain can marry people in space -- but he can't perform his own marriage ceremony, and they have no chaplain. So either they're unwed for 54 weeks or they have Robby certified as a minister by some mail-order (or subspace) religion, and let him perform the rites.

Morbius's Id monster was invisible but tangible, while most Krell creations were quite visible as well as tangible, according to what we hear. As long as the subconscious is functioning steadily it would be a matter of having a large number of successive, instantaneously-created Ids replacing each disintegrated one, so rapidly that you would have hundreds if not thousands per second -- like persistence of vision creating the sense of continuous motion, a long series of monsters formed so close to one another that they have the effect of a single being.

I understand Maddy's point about the prequel, and indeed many times such a story would not be good or necessary. But I think FP is one of those stories where the elements of a prequel contain sufficient material for a good tale in itself -- one which just happens to segue neatly into the follow-up film of 20 years later, the actual Forbidden Planet. I don't agree with the analogy about The Thing 1982 and its prequel. There, I agree, the prequel was totally unnecessary and of no point or purpose. (I also happen to dislike both films intensely -- for me only the brilliant 1951 original has merit.) I don't think that would be the case with Forbidden Planet, however -- quite the opposite.

But besides avoiding creating an interminable and increasingly lame franchise, we must also avoid that crashingly dull and stupendously unimaginative hallmark of modern movie-making: entitling sequels II, III, IV, V, etc. Once upon a time sequels had separate, independent, original titles unique to themselves. But since the 70s it's usually just the same title with changing Roman numerals.

If I had that $250,000,000, one of the things I'd spend it on is bullets to do away with the first studio exec to demand the remake be titled Forbidden Planet II: The Return. Or maybe we could spend the money to create a real Krell mind machine and just Id the guy to death...and create the movie by mere thought, at no expense.

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Hi - I'm sure Robby would have kept guard over the captain's quarters although you'd have to hope that the crew didn't know his override command.

Regarding persistence of vision remember that the ID monster only became visible when trapped in the force field. I would assume that when it was not being attacked it had no need to renew itself so must have used some sort of cloaking device because atoms themselves are not invisible (especially when the clump together to form a human which has 7*10 to the 27 of the things)

I do like the original 1951 version of the film - I found it very frightening when I watched it when I was young - however the 1982 version is truer to the original book 'Who Goes There?' I you google 'The Thing - Campbell and then switch to images there are some weird and wonderful err things on view which predate the 1982 film. Look for the original book cover - nothing like Mr Arness.

I have mentioned to Maddy that we are drowning in sequels and it has to stop if you look at my replies to her. My second reply also covers the use of pure thought.



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Think also about a miniseries featuring the rise and fall of the Krell civilisation.

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Hi ewaf58,

I have enjoyed reading this discussion between yourself and hob. I have no doubt that if done well in the ways you both suggest such a film could be very good. There are many fantastic TV series around right now and audiences love spending more time with characters, perhaps this Forbidden Planet prequel might work on the small screen best?

Personally though I just don't think a filmed prequel is necessary.

There's so many remakes, prequels and reboots around at the moment and I find it annoying. I'd like to know what's wrong with just re-releasing the original film or series in question and let new audiences discover it?

Here's another thought, what about doing a prequel as a novel? That could be very interesting. I wouldn't mind reading that actually.



Go to bed Frank or this is going to get ugly .

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Hi Maddy (if that is your name)

I am actually writing a Sci-Fi short story at the moment - it's based on real scientists who were alive in 1959 and is set around Manchester University in 1959.

One of the scientist is delivered a device which cannot possibly have been built with 1950's technology yet there it is. The device is a smart phone from the year 2020 together with photos - videos and pages from the internet.

The best scientists from the US are called over to discuss and investigate. So the story is basically how a collection of great minds get together and their interactions

My Dad actually did some work on the Manchester computer around 1949 and met Alan Turin.

However I don't think I would be able to write a sequel to FB - but if I did - and it was a success - then of course it could be picked up by a studio and made into a film.

I would like to see the film fully restored and shown again for new audiences - however they might find it too slow and cerebral. I haven't bought the Blu-ray as - having read the reviews - the restoration is poor.

At the moment I agree that we are drowning in sequels - mainly driven by the fact that we're stuck in the age of the CGI superhero. This era will come to an end though as audiences are already starting to tire of CGI.

I would suggest that in about 20 years time when we have ultra fast quantum computers and graphene based processors which can process life like graphics in realtime - many people will spend a lot of time in their own virtual reality rooms creating any scenarios they want.

Some years after that - thought waves will be able to be accurately translated so that images can be created on screen immersing the user in their own creations.

Not long after - these images can be projected to form physical objects - addicted users find their craniums enlarging . Thousands of years later a ship called the Bellerophon carrying a group of colonists lands and finds a seemingly desolate planet.

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Hi ewaf58,

Yes that's me, my name is Madeleine and my nickname is Maddy.

Your story sounds interesting, I wouldn't mind reading that. I think a story like that would have made a great episode for The Twilight Zone. That's cool that your dad met Turin, a very interesting man.

I own Forbidden Planet on Blu-ray and I think the picture quality looks great, really clear and the colours look stunning.


I like the sound of virtual reality rooms. Kind of like the Star Trek Holodecks?


Go to bed Frank or this is going to get ugly .

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Hi - talk of the devil - Forbidden Planet is on tonight on BBC4 at 10pm - hopefully their copy will be as good as yours. When you read reviews on Amazon they tend to jumble all the comments so some of them could be referring to a different version of the DVD.

I should have the story finished by June - it's tougher than I expected to write something interesting so I've had to research the characters as far as I can including Richard Feynman

My dad meet Turing for a few days to Patent parts of the Manchester computer that Turin was working on.

I did see a science report that said Holodecks should be with us in about 20 years time although not ones that convert energy into matter like Star Trek.

Donald



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Hey, ewaf, you and my friend Maddy have been having some interesting exchanges the past few days. You do have a fascinating background. Neat story about your dad.

I suspect your expectation of the future of technology and its effects on human beings (physically, mentally and emotionally) will come to pass at some time, and all I can say, as a mid-20th-century stick-in-the-mud, is that I'm glad I won't be around to see most if any of it! I kind of liked the less-teched world. Not everything you project sounds an unalloyed good.

Some of what you write sounds a bit like another mid-50s sci-fi semi-classic, This Island Earth -- your tale about scientists in 1959 being delivered technology from the future (vs. from an advanced alien civilization). The enlarged craniums remind me of an episode of the original 1960s series The Outer Limits, notably an episode called "The Sixth Finger". You hit some timeless themes.

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Hi firstly there was a mistake in my reply to you regarding the ID monster - it was constantly renewing itself (when not being attacked) as it would have been being created from microsecond to microsecond in Morbius's thoughts.

My Dad was a very bright man who probably would have been chosen for Bletchley park if he'd been a couple of years older. When I used to travel up to London with him on the way to work he used to be able to do a tough cryptic crossword in 20 minutes so would have been perfect for code cracking.

I understand what you mean by liking the less-tech World. When I was aged from 19 - 24 I used to love travel across Europe (which in those days meant taking a ship from Dover to Calais) and then taking a variety of wonderful electric trains often with quaint carriages divided into compartments where you could get to know your fellow travellers.

Nowadays the ferry still exists but you can get a high speed train from my local station which takes only two hours to get to Paris on a 180mph Eurostar. It used to take at least 8 hours. Quicker of course but al the feeling that you were travelling a long distance to get to a foreign land has gone. Having enquired at my European rail travel office most of the low speed trains have gone so you are forced to travel by these high speed bullets.

I do like high tech - but sometimes long for the time when the planet was less crowded and simple.

So far I've not received any instructions on how to build an interocitor although some teachers at the local school do seem to have rather large foreheads.

Ps As well as the story I'm working on I'm also re-editing the original Death Star battle scene to better music.


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Hi there is actually an e-book prequel written in 2012 called Bellerophon written by Phillip A Elwood.

I've read the first few pages set on Earth and it starts with the expedition getting ready. It doesn't feel like a details novel more of a cursory background.

It also puts the displacement of the Bellerophon at 20,000 tons so I've no idea how it could reach Earth orbit using conventional rockets. Even the mass of a Saturn 5 fully laden was only 2,200 tons. The author obviously doesn't know too much about physics or maybe is just writing in the style of a 50's ScFi author.

This 50's sty;e maybe correct as it used atomic motors to reach light speed - well an atomic motor pushing a mass that size would have to be enormous even to reach a fraction of the speed of light. So I guess we have to imagine ourselves as 50's readers who saw atomic energy as having unlimited power.

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"Hi there is actually an e-book prequel written in 2012 called Bellerophon written by Phillip A Elwood."

The title is Beleraphon - misspelling and on Amazon kindle

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Yes the script does say Belerophon but it could be an American spelling as I can't find this name if I Google it. The Greek slayer of monsters was called Bellerophon so I tend to think it was a typo in the script of - as mentioned - the american spelling

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Is that e-book prequel of recent origin? I wonder only because you brought up its apparent 1950s science and style. But I'd assume this is something fairly new.

So far I've not received any instructions on how to build an interocitor although some teachers at the local school do seem to have rather large foreheads.


Yeah, well, if they have a cat called Neutron I'd get the hell out of there.

Just depart quietly and tell everyone you'll see them on the Morrow.

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I think is is new because it did have a recent publication date. I don't think I'm going to read it though because it's only 100 pages long and that isn't enough to go into character detail.

I was also disappointed that the author chose a conventional rocket shape which - as mentioned - had a displacement of 20,000 tons. Not very imaginative and could never reach Earth orbit anyway.

Well we've had an interesting exchange of posts regarding FB - I guess all we can do now is wait for the proposed film mentioned on here. I hope that our first reviews of it don't included the word 'travesty'

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Indeed we have, and indeed let's hope your concerns about those first reviews don't contain that or like descriptions. Of course, it may turn out to be one of those films that develops a following and sixty years from now is critically reassessed as an unappreciated classic. Which would do us both a lot of good.

Meanwhile, I see someone's just started a thread about a remake. I haven't read it yet, but I'm not sure the idea helps our preferred project!

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Here it is incase you haven't read - it's pretty dispiriting especially the description of the original actors.

Good movie bit it needs a 21st century remake with all of the high definition equipment we have today. Throw in an all-star cast with Katy Perry as the lead and we are in business.

The actors in the original were mediocre, at best. This is understandable as they did not have an A-list budget in 1956. Now, armed with money and all of that that The Powers That Be have and this could be remarkable,. Right now it is just "that old movie with 'what's his face' in it."

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I hadn't read it, but good God! What an idiot. I made my own reply on the thread.

Katy Perry?! Jesus!

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Has to, repeat has to be tongue-in-cheek.

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It crossed my mind, Harold. I hope you're right.

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How about "Pee Wee's Forbidden Planet"?

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ROFLMAO

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Prequel, sequel perhaps, but definitely no remake!🐭

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I had to leave the story for a while but back working on it.

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There's no point in a prequel if we know what's going to happen.

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Plenty of point as it will make - for one thing - the deaths of the crew of the Bellerophon even more tragic.



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