what am I missing?


I don't like this movie. I really want to like this movie, but I just can't. I loved Danny Kaye in 'Up in Arms', 'Walter Mitty' and 'White Christmas', but I just can't get into this one. His songs are pretty good usually but I thought the first two were pretty bad. And hokey! And I hated the art direction; the colors are awful and garish and horrible, and it looks like one of the those really bad sword and sandal films I used to have to watch in Latin class.

What am I missing? Everyone who has reviewed seems to be completely enamored of this flick. I want to enjoy it as much as you do, really I do.

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I just watched it for the first time in my 50 years and I agree. I sought this movie out because I had heard that it had the greatest sword fighting scene of all time. I considered purchasing the movie, but then it became available on Amazon Prime for free. Just watched it and not only was the sword fight mediocre at best, the movie was terrible. I wanted to like this movie too. I love the genre and I'm a big fan of BR. I guess I just couldn't get over the clownishness. Poorly scripted. Annoying in almost every sense. The battle at the end with the army of midgets defeating the evil kings men was so impossible it was not even laughable. Bottom line is the sword fight sucked and the movie did too. Very disappointed.

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fatdogtavern wrote:

I sought this movie out because I had heard that it had the greatest sword fighting scene of all time.
You watched The Court Jester for the sword fighting scene? You were misinformed.Did you expect a serious swashbuckling film and never recognized that this is a comic fantasy?

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i think it's supposed to be good for an untrained comic and legendary stuntsman many years past his prime.

was on a bit of a danny kaye tear when i wrote the OP and so delighted with this guy's niche comedy that i guess i was bound to be disappointed eventually.

not a bad film by any means but i saw that vessel with the pestle gag coming a mile away. poor, juvenile physical comedy performed by a fellow who's not only too old for it, but furthermore seems somewhat detached from it all. the "jester's chief employment/is to kill himself for your enjoyment" lyric seemed especially prescient.

kaye's spiel never seemed to evolve and i wonder if he secretly hated acting.

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"Up in Arms," "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty," and "White Christmas" are actually all quite subdued performances from Danny Kaye. His performance here is basically untempered and unfiltered. He was allowed to be as manic as he wanted to be because as someone else stated, it's a broad farce--or, probably more accurately, it's a spoof.

The point of "The Court Jester" is that it's spoofing movies and books like "The Three Musketeers," "The Man in the Iron Mask," "The Scarlet Pimpernel," "Robin Hood," and "Ivanhoe" among others. The opening title sequence is meant to explain this with it's tongue-in-cheek jabs at Shakespeare, Basil Rathbone, and the way movies are made in general. It's a set up not unlike the opening number of "A Funny Thing Happened On the Way to the Forum." At no point in time are you ever supposed to take this movie seriously.

As to the first two musical numbers being hokey, well, the first one (the title sequence) is setting the tone for the rest of the movie, and the second one (which as I recall is "Never Outfox the Fox") is setting up the character of Hubert Hawkins, as well as giving us the vocabulary of the film. Hawkins is pretty incompetent, but he's good at pretending to be other people, and he's heroic and has a good heart underneath his ineptitude. The song also sets the film's vocabulary in that it lets you know that while the characters might speak like something out of a high drama, or something Shakespearean, the whole thing is a big inside joke with the audience about how ridiculous those types of movies can become.

The art direction in this film is pretty standard for Paramount studios, and to me the general quality of the film stock and the costumes, sets, and props doesn't look that different from "White Christmas." Something I've noticed throws people off is that this is a period film, which is not something Danny Kaye did often (or ever again, that I recall), and it looks very different in that respect, because it's set in the middle ages.

Not to be rude or too blunt, but I think the OP's problem mostly stems from a bad association with Latin Class. Something like that can ruin an otherwise perfectly good film. I have the same problem with "Ben Hur." We watched it in school once, sandwiched between a badly produced miniseries about gladiators and the opera "Amal and the Night Visitors," and ever since I haven't been able to enjoy it like I should and want to. :P

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Very nice reply. 'The Court Jester' is not for everyone, but it is one of my favorite movies.

"What do you want me to do, draw a picture? Spell it out!"

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Your second paragraph was an 'a-ha' moment for me. I love both films, but never really thought to deeply about it, although I was thinking 'it's just for entertainment, it's not high literature'. The thing is, it's done so much BETTER than a 'beach read' would be. The dialogue is tight, and goes so fast, the viewer is in danger of missing jokes. I love the music, and the lyrics are just wonderful.

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Up In Arms, subdued? Did we watch the same movie?

I've never been too impressed by Frank and Panama's dialogue. On my screenwriters-who-do-good-writing rating scale, I would call them 'competent'. Which is sure a whole lot better than the dialogue you hear in movies these days, but that's neither here nor there.

I think, viewing the other Danny Kaye movies, you start to expect a certain standard and this one left me disappointed. Both Kaye and his wife were both incredibly talented and you start to wonder whether they could have done something really amazing had they just managed to stay more focussed. Or something like that, I'm not really sure what it is. The midget scene particular seems sloppy and not well planned-out, which bothers me. You'd never see something like that in a Gene Kelly movie, for instance.

There's are many film from the 50's where the set pieces and costumes and props don't seem 'fake' or 'cheap'. Ben-Hur is actually a good example of this. Quo Vadis and Demetrius are not.

A lot of the reviews praising this film give a great deal of analysis, which makes me think that I'm being a little too dismissive of Kaye and co.'s efforts. About a week ago, I realized that On the Riviera was actually a pretty clever movie and that I was right to like it as much as I did. It's easy to overlook these things because Kaye tends to downplay himself on screen. I'm hoping the same will happen with Court Jester.

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"I've never been too impressed by Frank and Panama's dialogue."

I'm an unproduced screenwriter, and am curious as to what standard you judge P&F by? This is not a Mankiewicz or Hecht film! It's a comedy!

If you're looking for a "modern" comedy (such as Frasier) in which almost all the humor is generated by character interaction, then you'll never be happy by Panama & Frank, because that isn't what this comedy is "about". It's a farce, and it isn't supposed to be realistic, on any level.

Please don't tell me you like the Farrelly brothers films...

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billy wilder, a contemporary, manages to be witty and quotable and very funny.

this has nothing to do with genre

they had some witty lines in white christmas. their stuff isn't terrible, but hardly legendary (i've seen all the great classics and now i'm spoiled).

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dailyshampoo48 wrote:

What am I missing?
Humor is just plain subjective. I do not believe that you can explain to someone why a movie is funny and a delight if they do not feel that way about it. A poster below made a valiant attempt to do so, and there are cases in which recognizing that something is a parody can cause people to see it the way that it was intended, but apparently not here.One of my favorite movies is A Night to Remember — not the one about the Titanic. I recognize it as a wonderful parody of a certain sort of couples crime movie, and seen that way, it is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. If you see it as an attempt at a couples crime movie, it is awful, but you are just not taking it the right way.I have been delighted by The Court Jester since I was a child and I still am. I am sure that there are movies that you think are hilarious that would leave me completely cold.You gave Trouble in Paradise 1 star. I gave it 10 stars. It is a movie that I love. There is no accounting for taste.

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you only gave 1 star to Trouble in Paradise. If you don't recognise that as a brilliant comedy, I don't see any hope for you where The Court Jester is concerned. Let it go.

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to be fair, trouble in paradise is god-awful terrible bad

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i think it's absolutely hilarious. especially the 'vessel with the pestle' scene, and the wonderful sword fight where he keeps changing personality all the time.

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This is an hilarious movie. Danny Kaye was a brilliant, mutitalented man in every way. I was astounded at his many and varied talents and accomplisments.

Whether one does or does not like The Court Jester as a whole, Kaye`s talent, his ability to do so many things so instinctively and instantly flawlessly, must be acknowledged.

One thing I noticed in the opening numbers; they were choreographed for the stage. I do not know the history of the play/screenplay, but here and there it seemed kind of spliced together.

But for humor, color, and most of all, fun, The Court Jester cannot be beat; a wonderful escape.

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"The Court Jester" is a great movie. It's sad that there are people who can't enjoy it. Their loss.

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