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Did Pat Tillman get the Eddie Albert treatment?


This came to mind when I read Marine Corp Times and it was suggested that Tillman may have been deliberately shot by someone in his unit.
I was a Marine rifleman in Vietnam in 1968 and when I read Tillman received three rounds in his forehead that that had to be from close range, if, indeed, it is true his fatal injuries were suffered in that fashion.
In the required movie morality of the '50s, the "redeeming value" thing that required that crime never paid for bad guys, in Attack after members of the platoon put a collective ceremonial round into Eddie Albert's dead body the senior(?) man in the unit annouces that he is turning himself in. How implausible would that play today? "Men, the SOB had it coming. Thanks for contributing round. I must now give battalion a jingle to let them know that I will be turning myself in..."

And I will be in the enlisted mens club watching it all on Court TV. That or the Lifetime Channel.

Note: I give Attack a B minus, even though the ending didn't...feel right.

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I love this movie it has to be one of the best movies made about character study. About Tillman, the only reason I feel you might be on to something is because of the cover-up. People are kllled by friendly fire it is not a rare occurance. My father was a WW II Vet. My grandfather a WWI Vet and my boyfriend a Vietnam Vet and they all said they have seen it. And there is no shame if it happens. So why the big cover up? I thought that was very odd. He is a hero no matter if he was shot by friendly fire or not So why isn't he considered a hero now? Very strange.

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Fratricide, same-same assassination, in military units is a sensitive topic that seldom pops up movies; it's more likely to be found in novels. (Wasn't there a fratricide element in Norman Mailer's "The Naked and the Dead"?)

I suspect that the reason the 1956 movie "Attack!" is so seldom seen is due to the fratricide element in the story.

When I was with a Marine Corps village unit called a Combined Action Platoon there was a gunnery sergeant who drove around the village units in a jeep busting our balls with his world view. Two Marines in my unit who detested the gunny told me that they planned to take out him out with a command detonated mine, what they call today in Iraq an IED. Their plan was to plant the device next to a dirt road that led to our compound. Considering the number of mines and booby traps in that area of Quang Ngai province south of Chu Lai, the plotters figured everyone would think the gunny hit a VC mine.

Fate spoiled the conspiracy. One plotter was killed by a mine a few days after I got wind of their plan. The gunnery sergeant's jeep hit a mine on Thanksgiving night of '68 that killed him. The other plotter was killed in VN in '69 after I had rotated out of VN. Some people who have heard this slice of war have asked me why I didn't report the plotters. Because, I said, I wasn't sure if they were serious, and if they were I didn't care.

This is why I can personally relate to Capt. Erskine Cooney (Eddie Albert) being killed by his own men in Attack! And this is why if I happen to come upon the tail end of Animal House while channel surfing I wait to see the synopsis of the characters' fate at the end of the movie.

Niedermeyer
Killed by his own troops in Vietnam
(Far out. I can relate to that. Signed, Alexis de Troit

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The cover up over Tillman's death, was more about bad press than any assasination. Cooney was killed to death because he was a danger to everyone under his command and the higher command knew it and would not act, for political reasons. The reason the LT. turns himself in, at the end, is to bring the corruption of Lee Marvin's character to the attention of command, higher up the food chain. We are meant to believe that the truth will set him free and there will be a happy ending but, reality would probably have been much different in the real world. Higher command doesn't like to be bothered with messy things like that so, they would simply do some creative transfers and reassignments and sweep the mess under a rock. Cooney would get a decoration for heroism, Marvin would get a promotion and reassigned, the LT would get sent to the Pacific and the Army would be able to hide the dirty laundry. Tillman died, because some people were trigger happy and weren't particularly diligent about identifying their targets, it happens in the heat of a fire fight. Tillman being a football star and having been much ballyhooed by the Army for his sacrifice in enlisting as he did, made a friendly fire death too embarassing for the brass and they tried to put a more heroic spin on it for the sake of the Army's image. It was a tragic situation made worse and just proves that honesty IS the best policy.

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I agree with everyone that Mr. Tillman is a hero and his death seems to be a tragic accident which happens in war unfortunately. But the army should not have covered it up because of the mess it made and the appearance of a cover up. Such coverups and bureauracy were what the movies Attack and Paths of Glory pointed out.

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Tillman died, because some people were trigger happy and weren't particularly diligent about identifying their targets, it happens in the heat of a fire fight. Tillman being a football star and having been much ballyhooed by the Army for his sacrifice in enlisting as he did, made a friendly fire death too embarassing for the brass and they tried to put a more heroic spin on it for the sake of the Army's image. It was a tragic situation made worse and just proves that honesty IS the best policy.


Very well said poster macliggett1.

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Liberals kill with ABORTION.
Conservatives kill with the DEATH PENALTY.
I kill with THOSE and WORDS.

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That's some intelligent and insightful writing my friend ; I also found interest in the other 11Bravo's write , in addition to the other fine contributions .
Although I can understand the issue of fratricide , those three rounds to the forehead of Pat Tillman still leave me wondering . Although I'm admittedly not current with what the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (A.F.I.P. out of Walter Reed)) has concluded , the initial rep was suggestive of willfully directed fire , the three rounds being in such close proximity as to suggest an A-3 three shot burst from very close range . As fratricide lacking intent is always "damaging" to home front morale , the flat-out disclosure of the murder of a brother-in-arms would be nothing less than an unthinkable politically incorrect abomination . (In WW2 my father was given a bronze / P.H. for an action in Cisterna that should have merited at least a S.S. , this simply because the immediate after-action round that took the top of his head off came from a .30 Browning that was firing support ... an MOH might have necessitated disclosure of the low friendly round , and negated the outstanding tactical success of the action via the bad P.R. ; I still have the paper work re action and accident , and the press release that only mentions the substantial number of "Huns" killed . Anyway , we know that fratricide happens ; it's not at all rare , and if at all possible , it is to be left unacknowledged . ... the too quick pickle of 500 pounders , a misdirected nape splash , the common judgment of a small number of troopers simply sick of the oxymoron "Military Justice" , or whatever ... )
I also do tend to agree that the "fratricide element" was/is simply too "messy" a topic for the public at large to comfortably digest - particularly when one considers that "we" have both a short memory and a ready abundance of "professional heroes" , as in the N.F.L. - a "bread and circus" collection of distracting "gutless wonders" who paid zero homage to Cpl Tillman . In that regard , what I consider to be an outstanding film ("Attack") has be relegated to a rare late night presentation , in competition with a host of subliminally suggestive infomercials . Such a waste .
As an opinion , the political machine will always cancel-out the actions of an individual if said actions are in any way a detriment to the prevailing political climate . Morality in WW2 was not an issue , ever , for the victors , on any level . Surly Cpt Cooney had earned what he found "at the top of the stares" , but it NEVER would have made the press . Dido for Korea . Likewise for the R.V.N. - unless you got caught on the cover of "Life" magazine as did Lt Callie's efforts at My Lai . Small unit "frags" in R.V.N. could usually be tactfully handled by Graves Registration (now "Mortuary Services") , covert silencing , the offer of basic human avarice , or selective restructuring / dissolution .
And I needn't wonder if Audie Murphy would have gotten due recognition if he'd been strafed/K.I.A.'d with fratricidal .50 cal fire from a P-47 shortly after he went "above and beyond" .
In summation , I agree that although Cpl Tillman is a hero in every respect , he technically was not afforded "the Eddie Albert treatment" . I also agree that honesty is (morally) the best policy (as previously noted) , but in the gross immorality of war , it's by no means the most expedient , or even the most effective coarse of action . With that thought in mind , as had been said , "The first casualty in war is always the truth" .
Respectful thanks to all for sharing . wm

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Niedermeyer being capped by his own troops is mentioned in the Vic Morrow segment of 'Twilight Zone: The Movie".

Generosity, that was my first mistake

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