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Are Casting Directors the Most Dimwitted Members of the Movie Community?


Who ever thought that a red haired Irish woman with blue green eyes could play an Indian? The same dolt who thought that Ukrainian Natalie Wood could play a Puerto Rican??? And the truly outrageous thing is that obviously outrageous miscasting such as those two examples is not a thing of the past. In the 1970s, Bernardo Bertolucci proposed to the government of Peru an epic about Tupac Amaru. BB then totally antagonised the Peruvians with his choices to play Amaru and the Inca princess who would be his love interest.
Who were his preposterous choices?



















MARLON BRANDO and JANE FONDA

God is subtle, but He is not malicious. (Albert Einstein)

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The same kind of dimwits cast a Caucasian to play Charlie Chan. The same people who until Antonio Banderas got the role, kept casting non spanish actors such as Guy Williams and Alain Delon for the role of Zorro.

And my all time favorite, casting David Carradine to play a chinese in Kung Fu, when someone like Bruce Lee deserved it more than anyone else in the entire planet.


Yeah unfortunately examples such as these prove that casting agents, producers, and studio executives are not artists, rather business men simply concerned for their pockets.

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And let's not forget Mickey Rooney in "Breakfast at Tiffany's"
or Paul Muni in "The Good Earth"

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There's an even worse story about Paul Muni (the brilliant Paul Muni) in "The Good Earth."

I read that Anna Mae Wong was originally cast as the wife. However, Hollywood forbid scenes of "miscegenation" (interracial love). Even tho Muni would be made up to look Asian, his casting meant that the wife had to be played by a Caucasian as well.

And Anna Mae was turned into a silly dragon woman stereotype... ah well.



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It's called.acting. Were there any Chinese actors in.Hollywood at the time?

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Maybe Lee wasn't available.

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It is possible that someone who looks like Natalie Wood could be Puerto Rican. Its an ethnicity, not a race. There are blonde and blue eyed Mexicans. The OP seems to be as myopic as the casting directors he complains about.

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As someone who was born and grew up in PR, I can assure you that there aren't a lot of Russians--NW's ethnicity--in Borinquen.

God is subtle, but He is not malicious. (Albert Einstein)

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Those responsible for casting occasionally mess up, but most of them are quite talented. Casting is difficult, and it's a real art.

By the way, there are no casting directors. The Directors Guild made sure of that. That's why in the credits you always see just "Casting . . . name" or "Casting by . . . name"

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Not so fast! You don't have to be an ethnic Puerto Rican to play one. These people are ACTORS ... and with the right makeup and dialogue, they could play any part of any nationality or ethnicity. That's what ACTING is all about.

Italian Anna Maria Alberghetti played a POLISH WOMAN in "The Stars are Singing" (1953) and did a damned good job of it.

American Meryl Streep played a variety of foreign women (including a POLISH one in two films ("Sophie's Choice" and "Schindler's List") ... and did a damned fine job! She earned a couple of OSCARS, if memory serves.

Brit Jude Law played A RUSSIAN in "Enemy at the Gates" and was very believable ... and he also played a RUSSIAN in "Anna Karenina" .. along with British Keira Knightly playing the title role.

The late, great Robin Williams played a RUSSIAN in "Moscow on the Hudson" .... with the proper accent and even his Russian lines sounded authentic.

Sophia Loren played a SPANISH woman in "El Cid" and "Man from La Mancha" ..

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Streep's ,,Danish'' accent in OUT OF m-AFRICA-n mind with boredom sounds like Brando talking through his nose in THE ODDFATHER.
Benicio del Toro from Puerto Rico and the ,,Mexicans'' from TRAFFIC speak such bad Spanish that they sound as if they had never heard a single word of Spanish in their lives.
Rickman's ,,German'' accent in DIE HARD sounds as if it had been copied from the Warner Brothers' cartoons from WWII, instead of from a real German speaker.

God is subtle, but He is not malicious. (Albert Einstein)

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I agree, they are actors and all that... but it has to be believable... and I never saw a blue eyed Indian princess ever. But I understand that it wasn't possible in the 50's to show Niven with a black woman. Still, she could at least have been brown eyed.

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Indian people can have blue eyes though, all races can have blue eyes.

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Acting is basically pretending to be someone else. The idea that you need to be 'like' what you are pretending to be is only important insofar as it makes it easier for less talented actors to make the transition. That is what good casting is about- simplifying the whole process.

To overlay that with some kind of idea that particular looking people 'own' certain characterisations is demented.

If a woman is good enough an actor to play a man: good for her.

If a thin person can credibly play a fat person: good for them.

If a black guy can play Hamlet convincingly: good for him.

And so on.

And for what its worth, 'race' is a fiction. We are all humans.

And also while I'm here, the idea that movie making should have some kind of affirmative action for casting, posited on a noticeboard for a film that 'made work' for dozens of actors past their prime, is ironic in a dimwitted sort of way.

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,,Affirmative action''?
Just ask yourself the question: does Shirley MacLaine look like ANY Indian woman you have ever met? There are many Indian people here in the area of Tampa Bay, FL, and none of them look anything like MacLaine.
Maybe her role would not require an actual Indian to play it--but someone who could play it CONVINCINGLY would have been more welcome than a Celtic with a lot of face paint.
Even to this day I'm puzzled about the mysterious ethnicity of Jane Seymour in LIVE AND LET DIE.

God is subtle, but He is not malicious. (Albert Einstein)

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Thanks for your comments everyone. In the extra features on the DVD, Shirley Maclaine even admits that she had doubts about being cast in that part, but somehow...it worked !
RSGRE

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What was her ethnicity supposed to be?

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