A Great Film


This is a good Bergman film, why is there no discussion here?

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Hard to say...maybe it's too happy...maybe there are too many good-looking women in it...

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Well, no one wants to look at ugly people.

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Perhaps not to many people have seen it? I now label myself as a Bergman fan, but his most of films are so hard to come by in the few rental stores in my town. Now all I have left to watch is "Cries and Whispers", "Fanny & Alexander", "Scenes from a Marriage", and "Virgin Spring" and then I'll have to turn to Ebay to watch the rest.

Another reason why there may not be so much discussion on this film is because there's not all that much to discuss =D ... Sure, I found it to be a well-made film, but compared to his other works, this one didn't leave me with all that much to think about.

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True, it can't be called a heavy movie...it's just an odd assortment of romances.

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I found it to be a well-made film, but compared to his other works, this one didn't leave me with all that much to think about.
O.k. so it's not as dark/deep as most of Bergman's films but it *is* an extremely well made "comedy of manners" and a very successful film as such.

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I just sent this one back to Netflix -- after I see a movie, I usually check out these boards to see if there's any kind of discussion going on, so here I am. With this film, I can't say that I have any grand opinions about it, except that I found it to be absolutely delightful ... and now I want to buy the soundtrack to "A Little Night Music" ...

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I already loved 'Smiles of a Summer Night' when I bought the soundtrack to 'A Little Night Music', and was a bit wary of being disappointed, but I now adore it. It is beautiful, and, in my opinion, knowing the music even enhances the film.

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I haven't really seen any other of his movies, until now, when i saw this (one of my friends practically forced me to rent it. :P) and i really liked it. Odd, but very good. :D

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I've not seen any of his others, so so far this is my favorite of his life's work.

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Well, as you can see by the post thread, you can't really generate discussion out of something like 'This is a good movie; why don't we talk about it.'

I think that few post on this site in the Bergman category for several reasons. First, many of the most common posters haven't watched these movies. Second, those individuals who do watch these movies might have a case of comparison nerves going on - being that the Bergman crowd is probably a bit snobbier in general (I know, a huge generalization) than other areas of this website, people might be afraid to venture out and offer their necks in discussions. Finally, to return to this particular movie and this thread, there might not be that much TO discuss in this case.

After all, I like Mozart's great comic operas... but I'm not sure what I would sit around and ruminate with friends about concerning them.

I'll try another tactic. I've seen several Bergman movies but wouldn't consider myself an expert. However, I have viewed enough of his work to recognize that there is always the horrible chasm of unknowing despair behind the beautiful and ephemeral effervescence of his happier moments. Simplistically, I always think of the Swedish summer, which is short and sweet, followed by a long, harsh, dark winter. More profoundly, Bergman seems to have captured a way of showing life at its most shimmering and most terrifying - sometimes at the same time. So, to come to my point, when I see a lighter movie like this one, I do get a little bit of the goosebumps when the Grim Reaper shows up (in the rondelle clockwork toward the end). It's like spotting Hitchcock in one of his movies, only more like a poke in the back with a very cold finger. Anyone else agree?

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Yes, I think I do. This is a wonderfully light movie and extremely funny, but he was fighting a depression at the time and something was bound to creep in somewhere.
This and Through a Glass Darkly were the first Bergman films I bought and watched. They are probably the lightest and the darkest of his works.
The high key photography and the frilly, fluffy sets and costumes are beautifully matched to the storyline. Equally the low-key darkly toned, multi-textured photography is matched beautifully to the grim story of Through a Glass Darkly.
I think Wild Strawberries is the most balanced and best of his movies and it is certainly my favourite.
Persona however is the most innovative and influential, because, rather than despite, all its quirkiness.
I have yet to see Fanny and Alexander, which I believe is the most personal of the movies. I want to see The Seventh Seal too.
I am obviously not an expert, probably having seen less than half his movies, but I think Smiles of a Summer Night is the most accessible of his films for people who haven't seen them before.

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I just saw this film last night and fell completely in love with it!

Why don't people discuss this film?

I liked the philosophies articulated in it...the comedy was pretty funny.
There are some great lines in it and the players are nice looking.

It probably has as much symbolism as Bergmans "darker" "deeper" films.

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I just saw it today and feel in love with it and as with all great films, I can't WAIT to see it again!

I'm very surprised more people aren't discussing it too...

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this a very good film indeed




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I have seen a handful of Bergman movies. Although all have been at least good, this was the first one I watched that didn't make me feel like I was doing so for academic reasons. The dialog is fantastic and the humor is fresh.

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Eh, I just saw it, and it just feels like a baby Bergman. Fun in places, clever one-liners, and the "summernight" conversations make for an overall enjoyable viewing, but I'll hardly dwell on it like many of his others.

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A Good Film.
But lacking the genuine humor found in the truth of other Bergman films. And like the gun, the film was loaded with soot, too.

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I actually really loved this film. Bergman uses the camera to show a side of him we've rarely seen. The sharp, witty dialogue, the great performances from the leads playing well-developed characters, and Bergman's direction make this a must-see for any Bergman fan.

I do have a minor quibble though. At times, the film became a little melodramatic due to the use of the orchestra hits.

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Eh, I thought the orchestra hits were just supposed to be a part of the humor. :P they certainly got me

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Yes, certainly the orchestra hits were for humor. We weren't supposed to take these silly faces seriously!

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Mostly a tiresome, excessively talky salon/bedroom farce. In the later parts things pick up a bit, but it`s still neither sufficiently funny nor revealing any particular depths. A very minor number in Bergman`s body of work. 6/10.



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Exactly my thoughts.



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Well, in my experience on IMDb, agreeing with Franz is a rather fraught enterprise, but I find myself in agreement with him sometimes, too. Not that often, though.

Take the observation that this film is "tiresome". That is an all too typical kind of observation, really saying nothing other than that the viewer got bored by the film. Purely subjective.

"just an odd jumble of half-developed trysts" - well here is something substantial enough that it is worth discussing, unlike Franz's post. Left out is the tensions in the family dynamic, the competing pulls of moral virtue and ready at hand eroticism, and also how the social mores played out amidst a mix of sometimes absurd behaviors and asserted social conventions.

Smiles is also unlike towering efforts from Bergman's middle to later period, such as Persona and The Passion, where the thematic is ascendant over the narrative. But Bergman's long career went through stages, and stages of development, and it must be noted here that the intricate plot is quite marvelous, hanging together completely. The veneer of humor is real but also lies over the pathos within, and the plot allows us to see how this plays out. As such it showed development over even the gems of his previous films, SUmmer Interlude and Summer with Monika, smaller films that for all their strengths did not have the creative and unified vision of this film.

The film is a comedy, but that underlying pathos plays out as tragedy here and there. There are different kinds of comedy, but here we are witness to the more illuminating sort, here focused on erotic love as a human experience that can and often does mix, and even confuse, the sublime and the ridiculous. We understand both how the motivations of the characters can be so real and compelling, and yet look silly, often simultaneously. This is the human condition. We have difficulty discerning the difference between the urgings of the sex drive and our seeking love to overcome our loneliness. How that difficulty plays out here is illuminating and thought provoking.

Of course Bergman went on from Smiles to do The Seventh Seal, effectively meaning his style again changed, and arguably moved forward. The great success of Smiles also had the practical effect of meaning Bergman no longer had to struggle for financing, and the favorable reception no doubt inspired him to continue developing his career into that of imo the greatest film director of all time.

Thus can be seen the petty putdowns of this film are rather small minded all things considered. Yes, they missed something alright.

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