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What kind of psychological illness is Plato suffering from?


Anyone care to take a guess? We know of his violent streak erupting periodically (towards animals and humans alike), his sense of rootlessness from being abandoned by his parents and his almost unhealthy idolization towards Jim... What kind of a mental ilness do these clues from the film suggest?

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I can't answer you with a specific diagnosis, but cruelty towards animals when you're young is exactly the kind of thing that serial killers like Dahmer and Gacy did. There is a lack of empathy, seeing others as having the same feelings you do, that allows you to kill them.




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i know an average person who did this when was a kid

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My guess is that Plato is an emotionally deprived sociopath with repressed homosexual tendencies possibly from being molested by his father when he was very young.

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Sexual abuse has no effect on your sexual orientation, you're born homo,hetero,bi,pan,or asexual. His father abandoned him and his mother. They just wanted a gay character because it was a real issue and Sal was gay and Hollywood was so homophobic you couldn't mention homosexuality outright or your production was canned.
If I had to take a guess at his disorder I'd guess either Borderline Personality Disorder or Bipolar 1

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The production code was really strict. Openly gay characters were not allowed. Subtle hinting was allowed, as long as the people reviewing the script didn't pick up on it.

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It's true there is a lot of leftist propaganda in Hollywood movies and it has detrimental effects on Western society. However, occurrence of homosexuality has nothing to do with it. What you call "fact" isn't a fact. "Born this way" is not a myth. Where did you get that? While it's true that onset of homosexuality can indeed be attributed to numerous reasons, of both "nature" and "nurture" kind, some people are indeed born as homosexuals, had a happy childhood and went on to live a homosexual lifestyle.

If "gays in Hollywood", as an interest group, "set out" to do anything, it's promoting tolerance. I don't see leftist conspiracy in that. Tolerance and acceptance are not leftist ideas. If anything, they are libertarian ideas. Your lifestyle, your business. Now, if some of those people happen to be socialists and communists, that's another issue. That's where the real problem lies and it has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

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you're a liar, and the sodomite gene hoax was exposed by the atheist dawkins

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What are you talking about?

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read daawkin's "selfish gene"

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One needs to read the whole book to find your point from it?

I watched a video and he says there there is a heritability in homosexuality.

Some other evidence for homosexuality's biological reality is studies where it was found that the probability of homosexuality increases with the number of sons the mother has had. This has also been confirmed in boys that didn't grow up with their families, but in orphanages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order_and_male_sexual_orientation

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ask some one who read the book. there is no homosexuality in nature unless in plants that has both male and female organs, sodomizing isn't sexuality, it's sadistic madness, and wikileaks exposed scientists faking their data to support global warming, scientists can be ideological and liars, and the statistic crap is meaningless since there are so many uncontrolled conditions in biological and social settings, biology isn't exact science like physics

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Here's Dawkins saying it is biological.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDmQns78FR8&ab_channel=RichardDawkinsFoundationforReason%26Science

homosexuality in nature
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

On the scientist conspiracy: "Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct." All eight listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy#cite_note-6committees-15
And I love it when a troll's world view is so skewed they need a conspiracy of scientists to make it feasible. Scientific researchers are actually people who have dedicated their lives to gaining knowledge, and you're putting what exactly ahead of their judgment?

If you can't establish your world view on statistics, what can you do it on? You're making claims about biology in the same sentence you're saying it is impossible to research biology. So what is left is your repressed feelings about sexuality, right? It's OK, just don't take it out on other people.

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you're a bergen pervert, wikileaks record is 100% accurate, as for your stupid wikipedia, you better read some books ignorant

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Why do you think Hawkins would contradict himself?

Wikileaks' records might be accurate, but the interpretation you've adopted from somewhere is inaccurate, according to eight independent, peer-reviewed reports.

I've heard of these books you talk about. Actually, I think I might own a shelfful, and I've seen more in libraries. As for you, are you aware of the operating principle of Wikipedia? It is actually based on books.

And I might be a bergen pervert, whatever that is, but I know your soul is a rotten wasteland of repressed anxiety.

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It is time to accept the fact that you are a homophobic nitwit. And I say that with all due respect.

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homosexuality doesn't exist except for a plant that have both male and female sexual organs

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Sexual abuse has no effect on your sexual orientation, you're born homo


liar, complete rubbish

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My guess is that Plato is an emotionally deprived sociopath with repressed homosexual tendencies possibly from being molested by his father when he was very young

complete rubbish that could come from any "professional" psychologist

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My sister is in grad school for psychology, I should show her this movie and see what she says.

My dream is to die thinking, "Wow, that was fun. I'm tired."

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Update from my last post:
My sister initially was thinking he had conduct disorder (shooting the puppies), but once she saw what his family situation was, she definitely thinks he's a product of that. I agree. I'm sure if he didn't have absent parents he wouldn't have turned out that way.

My dream is to die thinking, "Wow, that was fun. I'm tired."

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psychology is bullcrap

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Plato's mom didn't believe in psychology either.

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psychology then was part of wisdom (philosophy) they didn't lie and claim to be science

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oh you mean the movies plato! the poor lad needed his parents not a shrink, maybe a priest would do him better, if he wasn't catholic!

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Plato is the product of a broken home with no father figure. in his school locker we see his idle is Alan Ladd and he sees that Jim Stark resembles Ladd.

when we first meet Plato he is being questioned in the police station for shooting puppies! so we learn he is clearly mentally disturbed. during the course of the film we become somewhat sympathetic to the character.

at the end of the film Plato is out of control carrying a gun running around shooting people at random. Plato even takes a shot at Jim his new idle/father figure and misses. two weeks ago i would have had sympathy for Plato's tragic end but since the Newtown massacre i see these disturbed adolescent males completely differently. i also now see undertones of 'suicide by cop' leanings as well.




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Plato's death is sorta like the bibilical saying " He who lives by the gun dies by the gun". The housekeeper cared, but he needed his parents, but they deserted him. Yes shooting the puppies is a clue something was seriously wrong with him.

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I think the person who said borderline and bipolar 1 hit the nail on the head- i suffer from both, and i relate to plato greatly.

I wrote a book on my experiences with both;

you can read it here. See if you think it's a match.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A7BIVVW

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Plato's death is sorta like the bibilical saying " He who lives by the gun dies by the gun".

There were guns in the Bible?

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I believe the word you are looking for is sword.

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He killed the puppies because they were abandoned and he didn't want them to suffer as he is suffering. Plato is a lonely guy, without parents who cares him. And bullied at school. He is confuse, and depress, and is terrified with the idea of being abandoned. But he has no mental disorder. He just need help.

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nice observation

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He obviously has problems of some sort. Like when he woke up and found Jim and Judy gone he freaked out, So he has abandonment issues. Since they never said he was gay or not it's hard to say, one things for sure he idolizes Jim and puts him up as a father figure. I would say at the end of the movie he had,beyond a doubt,a mental breakdown, Like when he was shooting at practically everyone he saw. The animal abuse shows that he (probebly) would have become a murderer when he grew (I say that because in the past many serial killers started out, as a child, killing animals). But hey i'm not an expert on these things so i could be wrong. I can't help feeling sorry for him though, because of the bullying he endured and lack of parents in his life.

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aspergers

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not even ten burgers in an ass would do that

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my guess is the psychological effects of dealing with gynecomastia

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I think he have a Bipolar disorder cause in one scene Plato says he so happy and in other scene he looks so depressed, I don't know much about personal psychological but i have Skizofrenic and Bipolar disorder too and I have feels who's plato feels when I see him

the last movie i've seen:

1900 9,25/10
Mad Max 8,25/10
The Sopranos S02Ep05 Big Girls Dont Cry 7,00/10
Just Go With It 2,10/10
Frankenfish 2,25/10
The Sopranos S02Ep04 Commendatori 7,80/10
Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors 9,30/10
The Sopranos S02Ep03 Toodle-fuc-king-Oo 7,50/10
Lola (1981) 9,25/10
The Sopranos S02Ep02 Do Not Resuscitate 6,50/10


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Not sure if there was a real illness there but he was Passive aggressive no doubt and possible Borderline personality disorder compounded with his confusion with his sexuality and abandonment feelings. He needed a good therapist more than he needed any kind of pill.... He was a disturbed teen with no support system..

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bipolar like all psychology is crap

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