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One of the worst miscasts of all time


watching Holden try to play boyish and if he used the word "baby" one more time.

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It's a hard one for me. I liked him in the film and would have preferred a younger actor, closer looking to Alan's age but he played the part well and thing he was very sexy and attractive in the role. The only part that really bothers me is when they are at the picnic and he decides to randomly climb Madge's swing. Like...'what are you doing, you weirdo?' lol A younger man might be able to pull that off, but it looked odd for Holden to do it.

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Well, Holden's character was suppose to be a former College football star that went into the Army and then tried a shot at Hollywood before becoming a drifter for a while. He would've had to have been at least early to middle 30's which is pretty much on the mark (Holden was about 37 when it was released which means he was probably about 35-36 when filming).
I do think Holden looks old for his age. I think he always did but so did a lot of other actors and actresses from that era. Or maybe "mature" is the right word.

I'm not sure that it's all about hard living or different styles as I tend to believe that humans are evolving to age slower from one generation to the next. Or at least that's the way that it appears to me.

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he was playing mid 20s

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So in just a few years he finished College, went into the army and had a failed Hollywood career before becoming a drifter for a time?
That doesn't even make sense. It has been a while since I saw it but I always had the impression he was at least into his 30's.
He wouldn't be such a failure at all those things if it had just been a few years.

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In the play he is placed in his mid 20s or so. I was supposed to direct it for a Community Theater for the May 2020 slot until Covid threw that in the water. But I think it makes sense; it just depends on how long he was doing which things. He is supposed to be the same age, or close to Alan since they went to college together. I'd have to watch the movie again (maybe this weekend) but if I remember in the play, He got to college on a football scholarship, so he would have been 18-19 for that...4 years of college but it's implied he dropped out so that could have been anywhere in the 2-4 year mark so...20-21ish. that gives him another 4-5 years for Hollywood and drifting around. So him being 25-26 makes sense to me.

I don't remember him being in the army in the play. it might have been added into the movie to pad his 'most interesting man of the year' credentials, and to age him a bit

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Disagree, it makes total sense. See mine and Otter’s posts below.

Hal wasn’t career military doing years of tours. He probably only served his 2 year draft then moved on. Otter is right, kids went to college younger back then and it was not uncommon for them to do just a few terms then quit. However, I think it is plausible that he could have finished it all and still be in his mid 20s at the picnic.

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He was miscast but made it work. By the last 30 minutes I felt he owned the role.

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I can agree to this. His chemistry with Madge is great and by the end of the movie you completely forget all the other logistical stuff; he is Hal. It's all the other stuff that they have him do that is awkward because it's written for a 25 year old. Him climbing on Madge's swing is painful for me to watch. Dude, you're like 40...

They should have re-written some of those scenes maybe but at the same time, this was based off the play and I am glad they didn't alter it too much.

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Just realized I posted this similar thought 10 months ago, lol guess times don't change. haha

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Agreed. It was interesting to watch Holden in a role like this, he's normally more calm and collected on screen. Same goes for Cliff Robertson, who was also very high energy in this.

I have to say that the 50's were a really good decade for films. In particular movies taking place in small towns. Picnic is a really good movie, but you also have Peyton Place (1957), The Long Hot Summer (1958) and of course Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958).

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very painful

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Being in his thirties makes it better. At that age, it's even more pathetic that he has just wasted his life and doesn't seem to have any future.

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Not one of the worst miscasts of all time, just an ordinary miscast typical of Hollywood, where male stars are always allowed to play people 2/3 of their age and be matched with leading ladies 1/2 their age.

It's just that this story really did require the principals to be *young*, because they're doing really stupid hormonal things, which just aren't believable or sympathetic if they appear to be old enough to know better. Hal should be 25 tops, and an immature 25 at that, and also, Madge should be 19 and look 19! Holden looks 40 and Novak looks like she's in her late 20s, for that matter.

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great post and completely agree.

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he was nearing 40 and the character should have bee mid 20s.

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So I was wondering who would have been the right age, and guess who would have been just about 25 when the film was made? Sean Connery, that's who! Tall, muscular, testosterone-laden, devastatingly sexy Sean Connery would have been 25 in 1954!

Of course he might not have started acting at that point, and he lived and died without ever being able to do an American accent, but still. Someone ought to do a fan edit for youtube, and CGI a young Connery's image over Holden's.

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rod taylor

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Like Holden, Taylor always looked older than his stated age. Here he is in "The Time Machine" (1960), made when he was officially 30, and he looks at least forty. Heavy lines in the forehead, a bit puffy overall, like he was Holden's drinking buddy or something.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.0a6303aa5138546271d7b1d5ac13f093?rik=vMp6V5N26t7ixw&pid=ImgRaw&r=0&sres=1&sresct=1

Plus, he wasn't a very good actor. Even Holden was far more talented, and I'm no fan of Holden.

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robert wagner

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Under those standards, the entire cast of Grease (1978)

Also, not so implausible for him to be around 25-26 years old:

4 years of college: 17-20 if he had a fall birthday. Lots of kids start college at 17, then turn 18 by the end of first term.
2 years Army: 20-22+. Elvis’s draft service was two years.
2 years as a drifter (including a few months in there trying for that Hollywood shot): 23-25+

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Correct, Hal could easily be in his mid-twenties, according to the parameters set in the script, even if he's damned immature for mid-twenties.

Also, I'm not sure when the story was officially set, but during the first half of the 20th century some kids started college at 17 or even 16, and some universities had three-year programs. And did the script ever say whether he graduated from that college? Because Hal doesn't stick at stuff, if he got the idea that trying to crack Hollywood was a better use of his time than doing homework, he'd have left college and hit the road to LA.

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Yes, Hal was an impulsive dreamer with delusions of grandeur. He very likely only stayed a few terms at college until his football hero status lost its luster. Probably was benched by his coach for being a blowhard, then one day bursted out to the team “baby, I am too big for this place” and split. I think Madge’s character was on a train ride to heartbreak and harsh reality at the end.

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I've been told that Hal and Madge were based on real people, the parents of someone Inge had known. And the real story is even worse than I'd expected it to be, "Hal" did indeed get "Madge" pregnant and ditch her, no surprises there. What was a surprise is that apparently the real "Madge" committed suicide!

And that's why we should never let our hormones pick out our life partners. They aren't good judges of character.

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I just watched this last night with my 90 y/o father, and William Holden was his favorite actor. He remembered it being a great love story, but he's always lived with his head in the clouds (wouldn't that be nice?). I couldn't stop commenting how this is NOT a love story. My father didn't remember how the movie ended, but I predicted Hal would escape from the cops onto a train, and Madge would jump on with him and ruin her life.

Imagine if Madge didn't hop that bus immediately and waited a week to leave for Tulsa. She'd surprise him in his room at the hotel and find him in bed with another woman. Of course she'd have already gotten impregnated after the picnic, so she'd have to go back to Neewollah, with a trashed reputation (would probably be forced to resign her title of Queen of Neewollah), Alan and his family would never have anything to do with her, and she'd end up an unwed mother working at the five and dime for life. And turn tricks with the paper boy and his pals. That's probably how it should have ended. Some great love story.

My father asked me how I became so cynical. Hmmm.

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