love me or leave me


I think they made ruth etting too nice, if they made the film today, it would be more like she really was, although doris and cagney were great, and it was a great film, but too sugary when doris was with cameron mitchell ( she converted back to her gordon mcrae films), first choice for this film was ava gardner, would have been great with doris singing

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It's funny how different people react to the same thing. I thought Miss Etting was presented in a glaringly honest light, particularly considering the glossed-over biographies coming out of Hollywood at that time.





"It's as red as The Daily Worker and just as sore."

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Ava GARDNER?? Get real. She couldn't act. She couldn't sing. And
she would've been too sultry for the role. Etting was no "Venus."

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If you search around YouTube, you can find Ava Gardner's original vocal tracks for her two Show Boat numbers. Yes, she could sing. She may not have been what was considered at the times as a "polished" singer, but she definitely was more than capable of singing her own songs in that film. The decision to dub her was an unnecessary one. As for her acting, again I refer you to Show Boat. Her portrayal of Julie is the highlight of the film. I wouldn't call Ava Gardner a great actress by any means, but she was definitely a good actress.

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I think the heyday of the film musical did go out with a flair. The end of the 1950s through the 1960s saw some of the best film musicals ever made -- Gigi, The Music Man, Mary Poppins, The Sound Of Music, Oliver!, etc. I'd say the movie musical went out with quite a flair. I'd say the thing that really cut back the number of musicals that Hollywood made was the huge popularity of television that started in the 1940s. People could see lots of the things for free on TV that they previously had to go to the movie theater for. Movie studios turned away from churning out tons of features a year to mainly concentrating on the big "epic" films. This especially cut into the movie musical genre. Gone were the light, frothy, colorful musicals of the past decade or so that studios would quickly put together and churn out. They instead started to concentrate more on film adaptations of the big Broadway shows, and those were becoming fewer and farther between as time went by.

As far as Marni Nixon goes, I think she was very much an asset to movie musicals. The first thing that comes to mind is "The King And I". Nixon did a flawless job doing the vocals for Deborah Kerr. If you ever get a chance to listen to "Shall I Tell You What I Think Of You?", a number that was cut from the film, you can hear the flawless transitions from Kerr's speaking voice to Nixon's singing voice. I also think her dubbing of Audrey Hepburn in "My Fair Lady" and Natalie Wood in "West Side Story" were absolutely necessary. I've heard both their vocal tracks for their respective films, and while they were both okay singers, they were not at the level of capability required for the music. The only issue I have with those two of Nixon's performances is that they were obviously Marni Nixon, and not all that close to the stars' own voices.

I really was more referring to times when there was absolutely no need to bring in another singer. A few examples come to mind. Rita Hayworth, for instance, actually could sing very well, but because Hollywood thought of her as a dancer, Columbia automatically dubbed her in her musical films without a thought. Dana Andrews, who was a trained opera singer, was so well known as a non-musical actor in Hollywood, that when he was cast in "State Fair", a singer was hired to dub his vocals. Maureen O'Hara had a lovely soprano voice, but because she was so well known as a dramatic actress, no one ever used her in a musical. She very nearly did get the role of Anna in "The King And I" though, but Richard Rodgers nixed that idea when he said that he didn't want any pirate queen playing his Anna.

Sometimes not dubbing a singer backfires badly too. For instance, allowing Vanessa Redgrave to sing for herself in the film version of "Camelot" was a huge mistake. The woman is a wonderful actress, but her off-key singing in the film is like nails on a chalkboard. And don't even get me started on Lucille Ball in "Mame".

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i said Ava Gardner was the studios 1st choice, not mine? also Jane Russell was offered the part, but turned it down, the studio settled on Doris after no one was interested,James Cagney stole the film anyway, one of the all time greats.

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"Love Me Or Leave Me" was a great deal of fairy tale. Though it was small, Ruth Etting actually won a settlement from MGM over their false portrayal of her character.

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thank you mathew ten out of ten

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This film is mounted as a vehicle for Day and Cagney,not as an accurate biography of Ruth Etting...if you're looking to learn about Etting's life from this film,forget about it.

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