When Kufu finished his big speech announcing the Pyramid project and all the people raise one hand saying (I can't pronounce or spell it) I immediately thought "Hail Hitler".
"It's not about money.... It's about sending a Message..... Everything Burns!!!"
Really, over a year and this fell off the first page with one taking an interest in my observation?
"When the chips are down... these Civilized people... will Eat each Other"
Poor lonely baby.
I watched that movie yesterday on TCM and noticed that also. It even sounded to me that the crowd shouted "heil". Even if we are wrong, it was right for you to ask the question.
I don't have to show you any stinking badges!
Isn't that pose seen a lot in hieroglyphics? With one or two arms raised in a similar way to how they saluted in the movie? That's probably what the filmmakers based those scenes on.
Also, isn't it widely accepted that soldiers in ancient Rome saluted in a similar way? I just figured the salute in this movie was just an earlier version of the Roman salute that Germany eventually adopted.
Besides, I don't think the filmmakers would have put anything, physical or verbal, into the film that suggested Nazi ideas during a time so soon after WWII and in the height of Hollywood blacklisting during the Cold War.
It was common during this Era to use Nazi analogies, like in Quo Vadis.
shareWhat "Nazi analogies" were there in Quo Vadis...or Land of the Pharaohs for that matter?
As another poster pointed out, the "raised-arm" salute was used in ancient Rome -- it was the prescribed manner for soldiers to greet their superiors -- as well as in many other cultures down the centuries. That's why it's shown in movies set in the Roman Empire.
It's an obvious and common form of salute to think of, which is why it was used in so many nations over time. The Nazis didn't invent it, any more than they "invented" the swastika, which is an ancient symbol found in many cultures going back to the Biblical-era Middle East, as well as in India, and among some American Indians. The Nazis simply appropriated these symbols for their own use. The trouble today, of course, is that since the 1930s they've been permanently tainted by their Nazi associations.
It does sound like the crowds are yelling "Hail" or "Heil" duing those scenes in LOTP, but I if you listen closely they're saying something a little different -- there's no real "h" sound in whatever they're saying. But I guarantee they're definitely not calling out "Heil"!
Pretty much anyone someone talks abut the making of Quo Vadis they talk abut the Nazi Imagery. It's ridiculously common knowledge. It may be justified by the actual history of Rome, but ti's still something the film makers did entirely intentionally.
shareSorry, the alleged "Nazi imagery" in Quo Vadis isn't "ridiculously common knowledge" and I don't ever recall anyone talking about it.
This is not to be confused with Nazi allegories or parallels, which are completely different from "imagery". People often compare Nero to Hitler, and there are fascist (though not quite Nazi) overtones to some of the political aspects in both that film and, for example, Spartacus. However, none of these are "imagery", which pertains to specific signs, objects, things like the salute and so forth. They're historical parallels.
If such imagery is so "ridiculously common" you should be able to point some out...as well as the "Nazi imagery" you claim exists in Land of the Pharaohs.
What "Nazi analogies" were there in Quo VadisYou think that the depiction of the Roman Empire, all fasces, eagles, military might and a hysterical tyrant doesn't draw on perceptions and images of Hitler and Nazi Germany? In a film released in 1951?
As another poster pointed out, the "raised-arm" salute was used in ancient Rome -- it was the prescribed manner for soldiers to greet their superiors -- as well as in many other cultures down the centuries. That's why it's shown in movies set in the Roman Empire.You'd think so, wouldn't you? Yet, in fact, this comment shows just how powerful the movies are in shaping, in creating, our perception of the past.
It's an obvious and common form of salute to think of, which is why it was used in so many nations over time.
According to common perceptions, this salute was based on an ancient Roman custom. However, this description is unknown in Roman literature and is never mentioned by ancient historians of Rome. Not a single Roman work of art, be it sculpture, coinage, or painting, displays a salute of this kind.The development of this salute in a fascist context and its use in the cinematic depiction of the ancient world are, more or less modern inventions. It's earliest painted depiction in an ancient Roman context is probably David's Oath of the Horatii of 1784, where it signifies a personal oath rather than an institutionalised salute.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute)
You think that the depiction of the Roman Empire, all fasces, eagles, military might and a hysterical tyrant doesn't draw on perceptions and images of Hitler and Nazi Germany? In a film released in 1951?