Gene Kelly: STAGEHOG!!!


He really ruined this movie for me - this and "Singin' In the Rain". Stomping on your costars and shoving them out of the way is NOT the way to endear yourself to your audience. From what I've heard about the man, I'm surprised he even HAD co-stars in his movies! He was apparently notorious for upstaging people, shoving them out of the way if he thought they were too talented-- look what happened to Michael Kidd [and almost happpened to Dan Dailey]: Gene Kelly the director ordered that their solo numbers be cut from the final release so that Gene Kelly the actor/ dancer/ stagehog wouldn't have to share the limelight. Kidd's number was ultimately cut, but co-director Stanley Donen [whom Kelly apparently treated as a hired hand rather than as an equal] made sure that Dailey's number stayed put. Every time I watch it and hear Kelly's character sing "Once upon a time, I had two friends", I can't resist hollering "Yeah, but they couldn't stand you tromping all over them & shoving them offstage!" I'm sure there are Kelly apologists out there who will swear up and down this isn't true, but I have heard of too many incidents from too many sources; now I know where Alan Alda learned HIS technique.

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Gene Kelly had an alpha personality. He was also a hard worker. In "Singing In the Rain," for example, he had difficulties working with the very young Debbie Reynolds--who has since admitted to her own immaturities during the filming--but he recognized in the film's other star, Donald O'Connor, an innovative and exceptionally talented dancer, and subsequently encouraged O'Connor to develop his own signature "Make 'Em Laugh" number.

Stanley Donen and Kelly had an interesting relationship. Each benefited by working with the other, but they also could be at odds. This is typical in almost any creative partnership. I also might add that ultimately Kelly became involved with and married Donen's former wife. All the same, Donen acknowledged and continues to acknowledge Kelly's brilliance, as he did when he accepted a special Oscar a few years back.

I've seen portions of Kidd's number that was cut from "Fair Weather" and although it looks promising I can see how it might have slowed the plot. At least one other number--this time featuring Kelly and Charisse--also was cut from the film. While I don't doubt that Kelly might have had some issues about Kidd's solo because it involved children--typically Kelly's balliwick--I think elimination of the number had more to do with the pacing of the film. Dailey's solo, on the other hand, stayed in because it was the culmination of his character's dysfunction. When I watch the film I see it as a film with three male leads rather than one. True, Kelly's roller skating number is a standout, but since we see only one of the three women involved with these ex-servicemen, the number is appropriate for the plot advancement of that romance.

Gene Kelly had the looks, the personality, and above all the talent to be a stage center performer. At the same time he enjoyed working with talented people who also shared his drive. He was always grateful to Judy Garland for helping him acclimate to working in films when he co-starred with her in his first film, "For Me and My Gal." (And he was there for her in two more films, despite her accelerating personal issues.) As is shown in a televised interview he had with Edward R. Murrow, Kelly valued the number he had performed in with Fred Astaire and always took a photo of that number with him, wherever he moved. Kelly's friendship with Frank Sinatra did not diminish when Sinatra became a teen idol; indeed, he encouraged Sinatra's dance moves in "Anchors Aweigh" and Sinatra's dancing and solo singing numbers in two more films. Kelly also directed a number of films, several of which did not involve his on-screen involvement at all--and one of them being the wonderful "buddy" movie, "The Cheynne Social Club." I don't doubt that Kelly could be a rigid taskmaster. But he knew that unlike a stage performance, film was a permanent art form.

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"I also might add that ultimately Kelly became involved with and married Donen's former wife."

Yes, but this was 11 years after she and Donen divorced (their marriage was pretty brief--about a year). I know Jeanne Coyne was Kelly's assisant for many, many years. Have you ever seen the Anatomy of a Dancer PBS special on Gene Kelly? It was mentioned that Jeanne was always in love with Gene. If you have a chance, check out the scene in Summer Stock where Kelly dances at the kitchen table. Jeanne is right in the front and check out the way she watches Gene--such adoration in her eyes!

I'm not sure if Kelly became involved with Jeanne during his marriage to Betsy Blair though. I've never really heard any kind of terrible gossip on Gene Kelly involving other women. The only thing I heard was that he was a major terror on the set. From what I remember, it was Blair that asked for the divorce. I'm guessing that her involment with the blacklist was too much of a strain on them both.

Also, if you have a chance, check out the "It's Always Fair Weather" page on Greenbriar Picture Shows:

http://greenbriarpictureshows.blogspot.com/2006/04/its-always-fair-weather-its-always.html

"Dan Dailey’s big lampshade routine nearly went into Gene's dustbin as well, but co-director Stanley Donen fought to keep it. He described the job with Kelly thus: It was an absolute, one-hundred percent nightmare, and this within twenty years after the 1955 experience, when both men were still active in the business and would presumably encounter one another (at least socially) from time to time."

Randomly, I thought Gene Kelly was a so-so director. I saw parts of "Hello, Dolly!" and thought the non-musical parts were very flat and boring. His great talent was dancing. I could watch him dance all day long.

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If you want to know what a man's like, take a look at how he treats his inferiors, not his equals.

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I couldn't help but laugh at the title of this thread. I love Gene, but from the stories I've heard, you're right on target.

I think the guy is a spectacular dancer and one of the greatest talents ever, but it was always well known that Gene was a tyrant on the set. It's too bad that the Donen/Kelly partnership ended on such a sour note. I always wondered if there was friction between the two since Donen's "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" (one of MGM's B-musicals) trampled Kelly's Brigadoon (one of MGM's A-musicals).

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I saw a show on Gene Kelly's life on cable with his three children participating and his colleagues didn't even seem embarrassed to mention this quality about Gene Kelly! I do think it's honorable, though, that when his second wife died, leaving him with young children, he turned down directing jobs (like "Cabaret") if they took him out of the country. He devoted himself to being a father to his young children. So there's surely *something* good and unright about the guy!

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I just saw Michael Kidd's number that was cut on the DVD (thank goodness they preserve such material) and although it did take a bit to warm up, the ending was really a knockout and deserved inclusion in the movie (he seemed left out of the action for quite a bit).

The Charisse/Kelly dance that was left out is OK but for the two romantic leads, not really adequate and a bit embarrassing. They probably did themselves a favor by leaving it out (Charisse and Kelly both had great solo numbers to count on regardless of this performance being left out -- Kidd did not).

Still, I think the movie belongs to Dolores Gray regardless of who Kelly tried to eliminate from the film.

Always interesting how actresses are the ones generally talked about for their upstaging and jealousy but Gene Kelly seems as bad as any of them in that department.

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I haven't seen it, but for me it doesn't matter what Kidd's number looked like. Good or bad, it's exclusion (and whatever else regarding Kidd that ended up on the cutting room floor) left a gaping hole in the narrative. The film wasn't about three army buddies. It was about two army buddies and some other guy who tagged along.

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I like Gene as well, but I agree....you should check out For Me and My Gal. As someone said, it's his first movie, and I think this might be a better one to watch if you dislike his upstaging qualities.

Personally, I think I have too much bloom. Maybe that's the trouble with me.

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Comparing Kelly with Astaire is instructive. Kelly is musclebound in comparison. He also lacks charm. He's one of those actors who invariably seems to be playing a role, it's always "Gene Kelly as ....", the role never subsumes Kelly as an actor. Altogether a second-rate performer.

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"Altogether"? His acting may not have been top notch, but you certainly can't deny his dancing skills. He choreographed the majority of his dance numbers in most of his films, including the 17-minute ballet in An American in Paris. He sought challenges just like Astaire did: both danced with props and played with editing techniques (compare "Bojangles of Harlem" from Swing Time to the Alter Ego sequence in Cover Girl). Only their styles were different - Kelly himself acknowledged that he was "musclebound," as you put it, so he avoided the tux that Astaire is famed for whenever possible - at which point it becomes a matter of taste. As far as being a "performer" is concerned, he was certainly first-rate; as an "actor," even Kelly himself admits he was not as proficient, which explains why in the latter part of his career, he focused more on directing and straight roles. Always the perfectionist, which also explains his reputation as a tyrant.

But I think we would be remiss to judge him solely on that flaw because it was that kind of attitude and discipline that got him where he was. And despite the OP's distaste for that side of his character, I think it's important to point out that if it wasn't for him and his co-stars in Summer Stock, Judy Garland would never have made it through that picture. They held her up and kept her going, surrounded her with the support she needed. He had said something to the effect, "I would do anything for that girl." So Kelly could certainly be generous with his time and affection, but it seems only to those he felt deserved it. The set of It's Always Fair Weather was riddled with strife from the start, so I don't think it's fair to judge him on that one film. His other co-stars from his other films praise him wildly: in the preface to Clive Hirschhorn's biography of Kelly, Frank Sinatra wrote something to the effect, "If they gave an Academy Award for Best Man in Life, Kelly would be the recipient, and I would be front row and center."

One last thing: It's Always Fair Weather marked the personal and professional divorce of Kelly and Stanley Donen. Donen would spend the rest of his life denouncing and belittling Kelly, and only to a lesser extent upon Kelly's death; he never again acknowledged the success they had. Kelly, on the other hand, always credited Donen for his part in their success. It always seems to me that Kelly comes out the bigger man in this situation.

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It's funny how the truth always comes out. Streisand was supposed to be the tyrant on the Hello, Dolly shoot, but we now know it was Kelly who raised the most hell. I had the pleasure of interviewing Ernest Lehman--who produced Dolly--and he called Kelly a son of a bitch. For the huge ending of Before the Parade Passes By, he kept the camera at ground level, Barbra called Lehman at the end of the day and said she thought Kelly had missed the boat by not pulling up and back to show the entire parade. This would mean that she would lose a close-up but she was thinking like a director already and thought it would be better. Lehman saw the dailies the next morning, agreed with Streisand and asked Kelly to re-shoot the massive scene. Kelly refused and left the lot. Lehman climbed up on the camera dolly and shot it the way he and Barbra felt it was best. At a screening later, Kelly begrudgingly told Lehman that his shot was much better.

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What "truth?" Ernest Lehman's truth? How does that even come close to the objective facts of the matter? Because it's also true that although Lehman was a great screenwriter, he only directed one film in his career: "Portnoy's Complaint," not exactly a classic. So Kelly, who had co-directed/directed many more films (and particularly musicals) by the time "Dolly" was filming, could actually claim greater experience. To my mind, that justifies him refusing to re-shoot any part of the parade scene. Streisand was out of line in whining to the producer, and Lehman was out of line in pulling rank to do the re-shoot on his own and then shoving it in Kelly's face. If I were Kelly, I wouldn't admit Lehman's shot was better—I'd tell Lehman to finish the damn movie himself and to drop dead as well.

And this notion of "Streisand wasn't really the tyrant"—come on. When Walter Matthau talked about "Dolly," he made it very clear he found her to be the really hateful person on set; I even read one interview in which he said he thought Kelly wasn't tough enough on her. In fact, I can't think of a movie she's made that someone HASN'T come forth afterward and said she was difficult—even Jeff Bridges, who seems to get along with everybody, had problems on "The Mirror Has Two Faces." (And I also can't think of a movie she's directed that wouldn't have turned out better in someone elses hands.)

It's not exactly news that Kelly was a demanding—and sometimes ferociously temperamental—person to work (and often play) with. But if you read his biographies or any other sources dealing with "behind the scenes" accounts of his behavior, it's also pretty clear that he himself knew he could be impossible. In one backstage account of "Singin in the Rain," Donald O'Connor tells a story of Kelly reaming him out unfairly over a dance number—he said that Kelly came to him later and apologized, that he had been really more upset with Debbie Reynold's screwups and that he only yelled at O'Connor because he needed to blow off steam and was afraid criticizing Reynolds on set would crush her. O'Connor said, "Okay, but if you do it again I'll kick you in the balls." Even his eldest daughter Kerry admits to his reputation, and I've heard her dispute interviewers who try to soften it.

But there's one thing she always says that I think is the last word: Whatever difficulties people had in working with him, in retrospect no one regrets having worked on a Gene Kelly movie. And I have to say I never heard Kelly badmouth anyone, even people like Stanley Donen or Debbie Reynolds, who were critical of him (in Donen's case, downright bitter) during his lifetime. He always lauded them both and talked about how lucky he was to work with them. In the last analysis, no one should care about this BS, anyway. I prefer to think of the Gene Kelly who was obviously a great father, who remained friends with the wife who divorced him (and publicly, adamantly stood up for her and others when she was threatened by the HUAC blacklist), who took care of Judy Garland when she was fragile and who helped introduce white movie audiences to the Nicholas Brothers even though the studio suits tried to talk him out of it.

My last point: I don't care much for people who say nasty things about colleagues after they're dead. It seems kinda cowardly and low-class to me. In addition to Ernest Lehman, we've got Arthur Laurents, who moaned and complained about Kelly (and pretty much everyone else) in his memoir from 2002. I myself had a conversation recently with Shirley MacLaine who called him "the dancing fascist," but I know she's aware that many consider her the "past lives looney." It just strikes me as low-rent and self-serving to speak ill of the dead. So with the celebrity interviews I do, I prefer not to go there.

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Thank you. You've nailed it.

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I think gene kelly is one of the most charasmatic actors that has ever graced the silver screen. It wasn't just his dancing that made him legendary imo.

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I'm not sure that these posts are being fair to Kelly. I'm not sure about the production history of this film, and why the numbers were taken out, and perhaps Kelly was partly responsible, and should be criticized.

But I can't say that he would show up his co-stars in specific numbers. Watching Singin' in the Rain I'm always impressed how he set his style to that of his partners. Dancing to the very limited Debbie Reynolds, he dances a much more simple style, and doesn't show off. With Donald O'Connor and Cyd Charisse his style is quite different.

What I really missed in the film was a climatic number between Kelly and Charisse.

"Sometimes you have to take the bull by the tail, and face the truth" - G. Marx

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I know Michael Kidd never wanted to work with him again. Gene Kelly & Stanley Donen both did musicals for MGM that came out the same year- 1954.

MGM considered "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" a B movie - they had higher aspirations for the more expensive "Brigadoon". For this reason, they slashed the budget on "Seven Brides", forcing Stanley Donen to use painted backdrops instead of location filming.

Michael Kidd was the choreographer for "Seven Brides" while Kelly did the job for "Brigadoon".

Guess which one was the hit? "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers". I think Kelly was still mad when they all made "It's Always Fair Weather".


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I guess that there's no question about Gene Kelly's ego -- he tended to want the other male dancers in his film to be not as good as he was (but then again, so did Astaire). And I agree that his treatment of Michael Kidd in It's Always Fair Weather showed a level of jealously inappropriate for a star of his magnitude. But, on the other hand, check out "The Babbitt and the Bromide" from Ziegfield Follies. If you watch carefully, you'll note that Kelly adapted his dancing style to Astaire's and not the other way around.

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And yet he did work with him again, on "Hello, Dolly!"

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You're absolutely right. Kelly was MUCH better at letting his partners shine, no matter their level of talent and ability, than people give him credit for.

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Excuse me, but Kelly is the STAR of this and "Rain." And have you watched
how truly BAD the cut numbers are?? - including Kidd's song? Terrible.
You'll note Kelly's and Charisse's number is ALSO cut. And Kelly chose
wisely - in cutting all three. The only number that SHOULD'VE been dropped
but wasn't, is Dailey's God-awful "Situation-Wise." This gets my vote
as the all-time worst MGM musical sequence. Ever.

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Oh, that "Situation-Wise" number was ***terrible***!

I was showing the film to some friends that love Gene Kelly but have never seen the film. I was actually embarassed when the "Situation" number came on. Shortly after that, they lost interest in the movie.

I have to say - for me, the high point of the film is "Thanks A Lot, But No Thanks"!









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For me, it's definitely "I Like Myself" - the number on roller skates.
So joyous, so superbly staged. Kelly's last great MGM musical number.
I also enjoy the ash can dance and Charisse's "Baby, You Knock Me Out."
I dig the hot men in "Thanks a Lot", but Gray is irritating to me.

I feel this is a neglected musical. It's very mature in its sobering
handling of what happens to people's dreams and friendships. It's far
more realistic than "On the Town", though the latter's a far better
film. I also find it interesting that Chrisse is a top executive and
Kelly can barely make a living. Yet they make it as a couple. Very
ground-breaking film. Not great, but better than it's often remembered.

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It does indeed deserve a lot more attention than it receives. It didn't have the usual "happy happy" feeling of an MGM musical of the period. Yes, the roller-skate dance is great, and the ash-can cover dance is a very famous number indeed.

I love the choreography in "Knock Me Out". I love it when the dancers in a number are so perfectly in synch with each other that the number looks like a machine, with the various parts going in perfect accord.





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You're right, it doesn't have that "happy ending" feeling. And because
we now tie that in with the death of the movie musical, it gives the
film a sort of melancholy feel the filmmakers weren't quite intending.
As they part at the end, one feels they are finally saying goodbye.

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I liked Situationwise. Thought it was cute and funny. Even though he was drunk.

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