The Big Stinko


If this had been the first noir I had ever seen, I doubt I would have watched another one. Except for the lighting -- which is great -- Conte's acting and the score (particularly in the very nice opening sequence), this is terrible. Wilde and Donlevy are awful. Donlevy's begging for mercy scene near the end looked as amateurish as a high school kid. Is this really considered a top noir? I can't believe it. The plot rambles, the script is lame; even the torture scene is silly. Compared to similar cop/noirs like The Big Heat and Where the Sidewalk Ends, this is beyond lame.

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I'll agree with you about Donlevy. His character didn't really fit into the movie and the storyline would have moved along just fine without him. Plus, he just mailed in his performance. Maybe he was afraid that Bela Lugosi would find out about his affair with Bela's wife.

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Donlevy didn't necessarily fit in, but that's what I liked about his character. He wasn't too cliched.

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You clearly know very very little about the style, cinematography, and scoring involved in film noirs, as well as little to nothing about the use of nonvisual motifs in films. The Big Combo stacks up right near the top in terms of all of those categories.

There is way more going on in this film that you clearly missed on your first viewing, such as the homosexual relationship between Fante and Mingo.

Part of the reason this film is regarded so highly in the film noir genre is the fact that it brought out many different taboo themes during a film period that were considered no gos, such as the aforementioned homosexual relationship or the ideology that criminals and criminal associates should get what is coming to them.

*SPOILER* the fact that Susan lives at the end and suffers little to no consequences for her actions throughout the film (her association with Brown) goes against the grain in terms of what the Hays Code actively pushed onto films during the period. This type of ever-present yet mute rebellion by a film of the time propels The Big Combo into an elite class based purely from a film standpoint.

You commented on the lighting, which is good, except you missed a lot of the other things going on in the film's Mise-en-scène. The lighting is the easiest thing to spot in the noir genre, but there is way more going on that you clearly missed.

Also the score is incredible and again goes against this Hollywood manufactured ideology of what sounds/themes should represent which character, as Susan's theme is a Soprano sax based reoccurring theme, despite her in film penchant for classical piano.

All of these things work together to make the Big Combo one of the greats, and while the performance by Wilde is not the greatest, it works well. I fail to see how you had a problem with Donlevy though, he is a man who has essentially lost his manhood, and he plays the part excellent. The torture scene too is (at least in my opinion) one of the best and most dynamic uses of music.

You owe it to yourself to go back and rewatch this film to better grasp the bigger picture.

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Well, to be honest the lighting does deserve a special mention even in the context of the high standard of noir because here, it really seemed to create its own world all by itself, making a movie filmed on very limited sets feel ´big´ and spacy, stuff of grand cinema at times. Not to mention the finer points, the numerous outstandingly photographed specific scenes.

Overall it´s a very successful mix of moody high style and sort of a tight minimalism, with a rather down-to-earth approach on the script level (no idea what´s supposed to be so "rambling" about it; I found it to be a pretty fierce, straight forward 83 minutes). It´s a picture with a nasty edge and lots of rather innovating devices, particularly, of course, the curious effects of the hearing aid, put to great use on more than one occasion. The only somewhat weaker aspects are Wilde´s bland, one-note central performance (although nothing nearly as awful as his work in Leave Her To Heaven) and the way the plot resolves itself in the end in quite some contrived ways - but overall it´a surprisingly fine late noir.



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*SPOILER* the fact that Susan lives at the end and suffers little to no consequences for her actions throughout the film (her association with Brown) goes against the grain in terms of what the Hays Code actively pushed onto films during the period. This type of ever-present yet mute rebellion by a film of the time propels The Big Combo into an elite class based purely from a film standpoint.

I'm not sure I agree. Pushing the boundaries of the Production Code doesn't make it a good film in itself. It does make it interesting from a historical standpoint.

Likewise the ultraconservative idea that "criminals should get what's coming to them" (death) is neither unique to this film nor is it something I especially admire. My understanding is that many films noir moved in this kind of direction around the mid 1950s (e.g. Kiss Me Deadly).

That said, I agree with the rest of your post and I think the film is pretty good.

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OUTSTANDING analysis. Thank you!

Watta ya lookn here for?

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Appreciate you educating the kid man. It never ceases to amaze when someone with absolutely no clue about what they are commenting on, nevertheless finds it imperative to share their worthless opinions. This site is infamous for OP's like the one on this thread.

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I love this movie.

Try to sit through The Big Knife with Jack Palance. They must have needed a wheelbarrow to deliver the Clifford Odets script for this turd.

Try to sit through the Fox noir Somewhere in the Night (also with Hodiak) omg, frickin terrible... endless...

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I'm surprised no one else has mentioned the name of John Alton, the DOP of this film and many other classic noirs. His collaborations with Anthony Mann (He Walked By Night, Raw Deal and T-Men) are classic examples of the canon. Not only did he use unusual camera angles (often from very low down) but he would use one light where other DOP's would use five or six, a factor which apparently made him no friends among lighting grips, as a lot fewer of them were required on any production he was involved in.
In 1949 Alton published a primer on how to light a film called "Painting With Light" http://www.amazon.com/Painting-Light-John-Alton/dp/0520089499 , which is still referenced by cinematographers today...

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The ending was stylized corn. All that spotlight crap.

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These are small scale films from the 1940s and 1950's often called B pictures. These flms were tight and thought provoking for their time. Still of very well to what standard have lowered for what's called crime drama today. If your going watch a Noir movie don't know much about the time period. Then you have to be trustful and watch the film in it's own context


This Big Combo has great cinematography, atmosphere and Narrative. Also don't forget compelling characters from it Tenacious Cop to it's Overconfident Gangster this movie delivers.

If you want an action movie go watch some Michael Bay movies.

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I guess the silent assassination and bomb going off at the end weren't enough for you. Maybe you are spoiled by today's technological achievements in film making.

I realized almost any effect can be created these days, but considering their budget and the limited special effects available at the time, I thought this was a DAMNED FINE film.

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Yeah, come on guys this one really isn't very good. I can name so many noir movies that are better than this one. Everything about it is extremely B-movie caliber and not in a good way (like Detour for example). None of the actors turn in an especially good performance here. Cornel Wilde's Lt. Diamond is one of the the least interesting police detectives I can think of. Can you actually describe much of anything about this character? Just dull, dull, dull. The interaction between him and his chief is trite and unconvincing. Richard Conte's Mr. Brown begins to be overplayed once he starts repeating his lines. Yeah we get it, 1st is 1st and 2nd is nobody. The story is fairly unremarkable, there is no real tension or intrigue, it starts to become fairly tiresome by the end.

I can understand if you really like film noir how you might appreciate this as fairly typical crime noir fare, but for anyone else I would not recommend this. The IMdB rating of 7.5 is just too high. This puts it in league with The Postman Always Rings Twice, The Strange Love of Martha Ivers, and The Stranger. I'm sorry but there is no way this movie compares with those.

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