VERY Overrated


I was really looking forward to seeing this film. Great cast, a lot of people writing about how great the movie is, then.......................F-I-Z-Z-L-E!

It really surprised me how terrible this film is. I expected so much more with all of the endorsements and so many actors that I've thoroughly enjoyed in many other films.

I understand that a lot of people think this film is terrific and that's fine, they certainly are entitled to their opinion, likes and dislikes. I just don't understand what the "WOW!" factor is about this film.

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Couldn't agree more. I just tried to watch it on TCM and gave up an hour in. The bad guys were all caricatures, there was no suspense as you knew the town had killed Komono, and it wasn't worth waiting to find out why Tracy was there to find out.

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I don't think it is important for this film to have the "suspense" of trying to figure out who killed Komono. This film was more of a character study of TWO characters -- "Macreedy" and "the town".

I wouldn't call Reno Smith's character a caricature at all. He is simply a bully who grew up to be the town thug. Even though the post WWII hate of Japanese people was very real, I don't think Reno was a racist as much as he was just a common thug looking for an excuse to dominate people. If it wasn't a Japanese man, Reno would have found someone else on which to incur his thuggish anger. Those kinds of people exist everywhere, and are not caricatures.

It is true that we all knew where this film was heading -- but the fun was watching it head there. It didn't need surprises or suspense. I think the film succeeds because it is low-key. This film simply a look at an interesting day in a forgotten town full of dead-end people.

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>>> There was no suspense as you knew the town killed Komono.

It wasn't meant to be a murder mystery. If that's the only thing you wanted this was the wrong movie for you.

This movie was a character study of good against evil, and it was a suspense thriller in terms of what Tracy's fate was going to be.

And yes, we knew how things would work out in that regard, but that is true of almost all suspense thrillers.

So it's a question as to whether or not the movie made the "trip" worthwhile.

And the answer with this movie is yes, very definitely so.

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I respectfully disagree.

I came into the film with no idea what it was about or any of the praise for it. Having just been to Pearl Harbor, that whole angle intrigued me. Knowing about the Japanese American soldiers in Italy (one of the most decorated groups in the American army) made that plot twist poignant. I thought Tracy was too old for the role of McCreedy, but Borgnine and Marvin are classic. The twist with Anne Francis at the end was fascinating, as was how Tracy overcomes Ryan in the climactic scene, even though he has no weapon and is handicapped. I think you went in with too high of expectations. With none, I was pleasantly pleased.

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I'd be interested to know what your expectations were...

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I just re-visited this Classic, this past weekend, on Turner Classic Movies. Of course, I've seen it many times before. What surprised me, this time, was how short it's running-time is: Just 81 minutes. I always thought it was longer than that? Anyway, I think the OP went into the film with unreasonable expectations. As Peggy Lee sang, "Is THAT All There Is?"

"You can't HANDLE the truth!" Jack Nicholson, "A Few Good Men."

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AngryAl got pwn'd by a 13-year old!!

Hey, AA--it's fine to say something sucks, but you kinda make yourself look bad if you give no reasons. Normally when someone has a positive opinion, they give evidence or anecdotes to back up their statements. I don't think it's too much to ask for the same if the opinion is "sucks", "overrated",or "stupid". If this concept is too difficult to wrap your brain around, you might want to try the AoHell boards. I understand they're pretty empty.






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I don't think it's too much to ask for the same if the opinion is "sucks", "overrated",or "stupid".


You said it was overrated. She said you said it was overrated.


What we have here is failure to communicate!

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"...you wind up making yourself look like an asswipe in front of the entire message board community."

Not as much as someone who actually uses a word like "asswipe". What an ultra-maroon.

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maroon is a sexy color ;)...

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Saw this when I was about 13 years old ( 1980 ) and re-watched it on boxing day night as an antidote to all the action packed stuff that was on the networks.

Pace, storytelling and finesse ....

Your loss if you can't appreciate a classic movie.

Me, I still love it

:)

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I can see why some may think "Bad Day at Black Rock" was overrated, I suppose. Considering the all-star cast, one might have expected a little more to the movie. I know it is set in a ghost town, but the only people we see, almost, except for the train crew, is the cast. It's kind of like "Last Man Standing" or "Tremors" in that respect. The cost to film this must've been dirt cheap.
But, Black Rock is what it is. And remember, it was made in 1955..some of the scenes are just not going to be as explicit or visualistic as a modern movie..and thats a good thing..
In a way watching BDABR is kind of like reading a book. You have to use your own head a little- its not instant gratification or whatever like so many movies are nowadays. For example, there was no "think-back" sequence to the night of Kamako's death, - got to use your own imagination.
And, the fight with Borgnine exemplifies the films confidence that it doesn't have to go overboard with details or graphic visualization to support the script. Got to just believe that the old man Tracy packs a wicked punch. It is kind of like the movie in a nutshell right there, it is stark and simple on the surface, more complex below.
I suppose that's why some view it with more appreciation than others, or don't get the WOW factor. The WOW factor is kind of that there is no WOW factor lol.
But BDABR does have some great scenes- kind of reminiscent of the "The Wild One" with the great opening scene of the train racing across the desert and the title boldly coming on.

For me it is a classic, the aging Tracy surrounded by a great cast, in the middle of nowhere, with the odds seemingly against him, pushing on without getting ruffled until he meets his objective. He was indeed a "big man"

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This film is about the thin line between the rule of law and anarchy. It's about what happens when some people break the law and bully others into becoming silent accomplices. It's about fear and the failure of people to stand up for what is right.

In 1955, you had the Joseph McCarthy witch hunts going on, not to mention southern Jim Crow laws designed to intimidate and control black citizens. It's clear to me the film is tackling those subjects by symbolically placing an outwardly passive, handicapped man in a hostile environment.

The film is not a whodunnit -- it's an exploration of the psychology of group lawlessness. It doesn't matter how or when Kamoko died; he is just a device to drive the opposing forces in the film.

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Well said.

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Yes, this is exactly right. It's not a whodunit, it's about a town gone rogue and what it will take to restore justice.

I loved it for the creepy atmosphere, especially the first third where we don't know exactly what's going on with the town OR what's going on with Spencer Tracy. The scenes of a man in a suit wandering through a remote, run-down little town had a real "twilight zone" vibe.

And then after the conflict comes out in the open, the real drama starts. The drama of whether anyone in the town will help Spencer Tracy or if they will just repeat the same history.

AND we get great scenes of Spencer Tracy, super-vet, punching peoples' lights out and making molotov cocktails.

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This film was very flat and intentionally so. My guess is that it was done to move away from the battle scene/trumpet fanfare soundtrack mode of the gung-ho war films of the 1940's. Hollywood film makers of the early 1950's were trying to make films that were more thoughtful, articulate, substance and realness over wise-talking of film noir and war movie rah-rah. Unfortunately, this film, like so many from that time, in that attempt to be more articulate, contained dialogue that reached to far and sounded spacey, disingenuine and contrived and not, as intended bold, brilliant, courageous, and insightful.

Also, I found the fight scenes between the Spencer Tracy and Ernest Borgnine characters was sad. I don't mean sad conceptually, I mean sadly unconvincing. All action movies have improbable fight scenes but this one is not just improbable. It is obviously fake to even the most gullible movie watcher, the worst film fight sequence I have ever seen.

But I have to admit I love Lee Marvin in everything and this film is no exception. Man, his testosterone has testosterone. It seemed to me that both Ernest Borgnine and Walter Brennan, another 2 of my favorites where not in the full flower of their screen presence yet. I never quite got the Spencer Tracy mystique but I think he turns in a fine performance here.

To sum it up, I would say that this film went a little overboard with the "stripped down". I mean, I don't want to drive a boat of a car like a 1963 Pontiac Bonneville but I don't want to drive a dune buggy either.

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Sometimes when you hear how great a film is you can't help but be let down. I've had this happen many times. Films like Avatar and Twilight come to mind for me.

What we have here is failure to communicate!

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Not overrated. The OP is wrong. I'd like to see him tangle with Reno Smith!

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Bad Day at Black Rock is a tremendous example of 50s Hollywood filmmaking craft at its finest. What other film has a star lineup like this? The great John Sturges packs more plot and character into 81 minutes than modern directors could do in 2.5 hours. Great lines (listen to Walter Brennan's homilies), beautiful cinematography, sure-handed direction, social relevance (ethnic intimidation, prejudice and harrassment), a tight plot and not a wasted frame.

I can't imagine what the OP was expecting.

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